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tycho
#41 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:56:17 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Neither has Wazua been spared. I am sure a visit to the archives will easily reveal that there are some Wazuans who are thought to be psychos.

The above We for a start.


So how is this an exclusive 'We'?
aemathenge
#42 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:19:43 PM
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tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Neither has Wazua been spared. I am sure a visit to the archives will easily reveal that there are some Wazuans who are thought to be psychos.

The above We for a start.


So how is this an exclusive 'We'?

You have gone through the archives and established that some Wazuans are pyschos. I pride myself on being a Wazuan and hence the "we".

All that you have to do now is show "us" how you have arrived at this judgement so that "we" determine how to go about "healing" ourselves if "we" so desire to seek "remedy".

So. Dr. Tycho. What are the parameters of psychosis in Wazua and do you exhibit them?
tycho
#43 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:08:25 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Neither has Wazua been spared. I am sure a visit to the archives will easily reveal that there are some Wazuans who are thought to be psychos.

The above We for a start.


So how is this an exclusive 'We'?

You have gone through the archives and established that some Wazuans are pyschos. I pride myself on being a Wazuan and hence the "we".

All that you have to do now is show "us" how you have arrived at this judgement so that "we" determine how to go about "healing" ourselves if "we" so desire to seek "remedy".

So. Dr. Tycho. What are the parameters of psychosis in Wazua and do you exhibit them?


So far, your responses are entirely groundless. I am very disappointed.

For example, I don't think you have read and understood what I have written about the presence of Wazuan psychos. There are several instances where I've been called a psycho.

But anyway, I have no desire for chasing you with words, or defending myself.

I am sorry if I have wronged you; and yes, I am the psycho.

You can add any other matusi or rant to show your mental health.



Mukiri
#44 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:04:28 PM
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No attacks or names were called, only scripture was quoted Psalms 14:1. It was even mentioned in church todaysmile

Proverbs 19:21
ChessMaster
#45 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:18:00 PM
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@Mukiri - Are you judgemental or empathetic?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#46 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:17:46 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
No attacks or names were called, only scripture was quoted Psalms 14:1. It was even mentioned in church todaysmile


I see.
Mukiri
#47 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:47:37 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@Mukiri - Are you judgemental or empathetic?

d'oh! What do you think? Use examples

Proverbs 19:21
ChessMaster
#48 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:27:50 AM
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This is what I think about mental health. Humans have two needs which I classify as physical and emotional/mental. Physical needs are much more easily identified and dealt with while emotional needs are not.The aim being to be in a state of equilibrium where neither emotional or physical needs overwhelm the individual.

Physical needs are what you might imagine e.g. food,sex,warmth,health.Emotional needs are more complicated and one of the strongest need is the need for security and not comfort. At this point it is important to note that emotional needs might inspire and drive physical behaviour e.g. what one might desire to eat or wear might not be about the food or clothes but more about an underlying emotional desire.

As humans we live in a state of uncertainty.We are uncertain of our futures,environments,origin,relationships,goals,ourselves...and we constantly engage and react to this uncertainty. We want security which can't be fulfilled in this world the way we desire it. We want to know we are appreciated,that we have a purpose and ultimately that things will work out.We want to feel complete.

Physical needs can be satisfied or subdued to an extent but emotional needs are more elusive. Identifying these needs which stem from the depths of the unconscious to the tip of consciousness is a major hindrance to the effort of dealing with your emotions.

The media surely doesn't help.We are constantly bombarded with messages telling us that we are incomplete and imperfect leaving us feeling empty and yearning for products that only pacify us for the moment.

To identify and begin the process of handling emotional needs four things are indispensable i.e. truth,humility,patience and courage. Truth helps to identify the problem.Humility helps you accept the problem.Courage drives the will to find the solution and patience gives you time to deal with it. Without them you will be in a state of denial.

Denial will lead to suppression and this leaves the individual open to the whims of a force that they neither understand nor control. If you are neither in control of your needs or in the pursuit of this control,you will seek to treat the symptoms and not the problem.

You will seek wealth to feel more secure your needs can be met and that you're important because you are wealthy. You will become aggressive and target all things in your environment that threaten you in attempt to feel more secure.You will become proud and arrogant to feel more important about yourself. These are just a few examples.Just because one is in denial doesn't mean the needs can be neglected or their influence is any less meaningful.

We should create time for dialogue with ourselves and from this we gain understanding of ourselves and in turn others. We should not seek to be like others but more of ourselves for each of us is unique and beautiful in our own right. If you don't honestly desire to face and conquer yourself then you are already conquered.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#49 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:36:01 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@Mukiri - Are you judgemental or empathetic?

d'oh! What do you think? Use examples


Its just a question.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
aemathenge
#50 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 9:39:24 AM
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tycho wrote:
and yes, I am the psycho.

I am one too.

I rest.
tycho
#51 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:44:12 PM
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@ChessMaster, I have found it difficult to deferentiate between physical and emotional needs. Remember 'A hungry man is an angry man'? I'd say emotional needs occur together with physical ones.

But when we are talking about mental health, we are talking about matters related to perception.

Perception is meant to help control mechanisms in energy systems; thus mental ailments occur when the perceptual system isn't helping to create equilibrium in the overall or 'formal' system.

This state of disequilibrium presents itself as a set of symptoms.

A look at the major psychiatric models shows a consistency and perhaps truth of the 'energic' model that I have given.

For example, regression will definitely hinder formal equilibrium because one will always be out of time. So are are electro-chemical imbalances also consistent with this 'energic' model.

This model also explains behavior during 'mid-life crisis', ageing and anti-ageing, and institutional behavior.

That is, mental health issues are not just human but extend to non human energic systems.
tycho
#52 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:48:00 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
and yes, I am the psycho.

I am one too.

I rest.


Thank you.
Angelica _ann
#53 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:56:09 PM
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MM belongs here!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
ChessMaster
#54 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 6:13:20 PM
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@tycho - Physical needs and emotional needs play around together.But there are some physical needs which can are just that physical.But the line is difficult to place. I do agree,perception plays a major role in mental health.One reason is see people align themselves to illusions and when they come crushing down the mind slowly goes with it.The energic model can work in this case,its like vibrating at the wrong frequency.So the role of perception is to find the right frequency.

What do you mean out of time when it comes to regression.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#55 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:48:06 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@tycho - Physical needs and emotional needs play around together.But there are some physical needs which can are just that physical.But the line is difficult to place. I do agree,perception plays a major role in mental health.One reason is see people align themselves to illusions and when they come crushing down the mind slowly goes with it.The energic model can work in this case,its like vibrating at the wrong frequency.So the role of perception is to find the right frequency.

What do you mean out of time when it comes to regression.


Can you give examples of purely physical needs?

If an illusion is a perceptual experience that corresponds to an experience already 'established' in the past, but doesn't elicit similar relationships; then regression is the sustainance of an illusion.

That is, regression is a 'refusal' to learn. I believe regression is due to 'excessive' trauma.

I say 'excess' because life generally involves trauma and 'entropy'. That is, there's an energic threshold for a 'fixation' to occur. (Imagine how an apparatus can transform brain waves into graphic pictures. We can use it to find the threshold value.)

That is, most mental ailments are PTSD's. Differences in naming are accounted for by 'enormity' of effects (damage to world view and relations), explanations on ailment's cause, and characteristics of symptoms.

One important thing we can deduce is that society and culture are formed along the justification of trauma, and the promise of ultimate equilibrium and pleasure.

This is how 'normal' gets to be defined by institutions and their representatives.

But what happens when cultural values and institutions are altered by 'exogenous' forces like 'globalization'?

Ideas about what is, and is not 'normal' are weakened, and opportunistic infections abound.

Finally, there's identity among 'normal', 'good', and 'true'.

That is, you cannot have one and miss the other. But then all these are the Self. The ultimate 'I'.

Mental ailments are negations of human being.

ChessMaster
#56 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:34:03 PM
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Purely physical needs: food,shelther,clothing,health...basically things which without you may suffer psychologically.Or like sense deprivation,which is a torture technique uses the body to cause strain on the individual.

Regression can be a refusal to learn but you can also learn from regression.But as you say,most times when it is blended with trauma its used as a means to relive better days.

Globalisation and the internet are also great threats to mental health.But I think you've clearly interpreted normal especially in manner that can work in both the past and future.

Can you explain further on identity among 'normal','good' and 'true'.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#57 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:06:49 PM
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My encounters with humans and animals, and my own experiences do affirm purely physical needs.

A dog in his meal wont pause to greet a friend, unless the latter has more food.

Eating is pleasurable and preoccupying. People are judged by their clothing, so clothes are psychological symbols.

For shelter, please remember one can live any where, so how one defines shelter is an important issue. It will even determine how this need is met. Emotions are everywhere.

In fact, if you look carefully,one can easily see that emotions are like physics' 'strong forces' or gravity.

These forces manifest themselves physically.

Yes. You can learn from regression. In fact, one should always seek to learn from them.

As I have tried to show the emotional and physical happen together. That is, every thing is identity.
ChessMaster
#58 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:11:08 PM
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Think of cavemen,to them physical needs were just that.But as that need became more satisfied it became a means of satisfying emotional needs.
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tycho
#59 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:23:04 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Think of cavemen,to them physical needs were just that.But as that need became more satisfied it became a means of satisfying emotional needs.


Animals behave intelligently regarding every thing.

Caveman is a technological level.
ChessMaster
#60 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:26:32 PM
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Is technology good for mental health or bad or is it a factor of culture on technology
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