@Tycho
@D32, your first post in this thread states that dinosaurs were destroyed in Noah's flood.
But when @radio asks why there were no dinosaurs in the Ark, you quote the Bible to show that ALL animals got into the Ark.
But then you later create an exclusion for sea animals that even survived the flood.
That is the second post stating the reasons for the extinction of dinosaurs is different from the first.There are various theories on how it is that dinosaurs are not seen today, while their remains have been excavated. Common theories are such as a meteor or an asteroid caused the devastation.
The first post explained an alternative view of what it was that caused the devastation - Noah's flood.
The mass fossils that we find today are those from the flood, this is because the flood created the conditions that were necessary for mass fossilization to occur.
This is not to say that fossilization does not occur today, all that fossilization requires are the right conditions. What happened at Noah's flood, was fossilization at a global scale (mass fossilization) - of which theories try to explain the cause, theories such as those that involve a meteor or an asteroid. The first post was explaining how the flood was the element that caused their mass fossilization - which theories such as those that involve meteors, are said to be the cause.
The second post explained how dinosaurs got extinct.
The very same event that caused the mass fossilization of dinosaurs, is the very same event that caused the dinosaurs to be ported to the post flood era.
Why should Noah NOT take dinosaurs in the Ark, when he was instructed to take all animals, two of every kind from the unclean, and in sevens for the clean. When it says all, it does not mean not all lions, but a pair of lions, a male and a female, then a pair of another type of creature, until all types safe inside the ark.
"All" animals in this case, obviously excludes sea animals, this is because sea animals do not need the ark to survive the flood.
The dinosaurs surviving the flood by getting into the ark, is the reason why there is ancient history that occurred in the post flood era, that shows encounters and depictions of these beasts.
From all that has been said, clearly dinosaurs had to have gone extinct sometime in the post flood era.
Another issue I'd like to raise is that of timelines.
You state that Noah's flood took place around 4000 years ago, and that the earth is around 6000 years old. This timeline, I gather, is a calculation of Adam to Jesus genealogy plus the years passed after Christ, right?Yes, the timeline regarding the age of the Earth is derived by calculating time through genealogy. In addition to genealogy, there is prophecy.
But then you state that a Chinese dynasty existed in 1766 BC. Have you dated this dynasty in relation to Noah? How many years are there between 1766 BC to the present?First, it was not I that said that. At the beginning of the second post, there is a link - The link being the source of the artifacts along with their comments.
The purpose for the artifacts was to show the existence of dinosaurs after the floods, as well as showing the dinosaurs existence alongside humans.
"Have you dated this dynasty in relation to Noah? How many years are there between 1766 BC to the present?"Sorry, I do not get your question well, maybe you may need to rephrase it and explain it in more detail, nonetheless, I'll share a some information about early civilizations.
2000 BC is about 4000 years from now - about the time of the flood. This means that all civilizations that existed after the flood, should not be older than 2000 BC.
The very first civilizations to be establish after the flood have been recorded in the Bible.
Nimrod was Noah's great grandson. Noah's son Ham had Cush, and Cush became Nimrod's father.
Nimrod is the founder of Babel - The first major civilization after the flood.
There were also other civilizations alongside Babel.
Genesis
10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was
Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
Genesis 10 has Noah's genealogy after the food.
After mentioning Noah's genealogy, Genesis 10 ends with:
Genesis 10:32 These (The just mentioned family tree) are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
In Genesis 11, we have Shem's genealogy (Shem was one of Noah's sons - Gen 10:1). Genesis 11 ends by introducing us to Abram, who was in Shem's family line, and by the time Genesis 12 ends,
Abram and his wife Sarai are in Egypt.
The Egyptian civilization had already been established.
Genesis 12:10 And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into
Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land.
In conclusion, ancient civilizations came up very fast, not long after the floods.
"And finally, is it true that ALL 'non-believing scientists' also believe in the flood theory as the most sufficient explanation for fossilization?"When you say "the flood theory", you could mean one of the two below.
You could be talking about about any LOCAL flood that can happen anywhere, that can cause fossilization due to rapid burial by the mud / sediments - which all scientists, both believing and none-believing agree can happen.
Or
You could be talking about about a GLOBAL flood that the Bible said took place, which caused the mass fossilization on a global scale, which other theories try use things such as an asteroid impact being the cause.
None-believing scientist will not accept the GLOBAL flood view, because they (the scientist) strongly believe in their world views, which are in a dichotomy with the Bible.
A flood for "
the most sufficient explanation for fossilization"?
With most natural animal fossilization that have been found:
- Rapid burial was a necessity - Or else the entity would not be able to be preserved, or scavengers would eat and / or scatter the entity to pieces, or the entity would deteriorate with the elements.
- A liquid (such as water, which is most abundantly available naturally) would need to be present, mixed with sediments, to form the material that will cause the rapid burial, then dry-up, to be found later as a fossil.
The flood is an alternative view, explaining the cause for the mass fossilization.
The flood view was not an explanation of the most sufficient method for fossilization.
The bigger fish below could not complete the meal due to rapid burial.
They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.