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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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kiterunner wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive....
Taking a person to the hospital is primarily an act of faith as well.
Sick people die in hospital too..
Both Owuor and docto rs depend on you for healing.
That is why they cannot raise the dead.. or really heal anyone. in 2015 AD that statement is breathtakingly silly.  ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:kiterunner wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive....
Taking a person to the hospital is primarily an act of faith as well.
Sick people die in hospital too..
Both Owuor and docto rs depend on you for healing.
That is why they cannot raise the dead.. or really heal anyone. in 2015 AD that statement is breathtakingly silly. @mtu Biz, that statement is the most silly one I have heard in 2015. You mean now according to you "all what doctors learn as medical treatment" is all faith? Please educate me if I misunderstood you
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Mtu Biz wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive....
Taking a person to the hospital is primarily an act of faith as well.
Sick people die in hospital too..
Both Owuor and docto rs depend on you for healing.
That is why they cannot raise the dead.. or really heal anyone. That's meant to be a joke work to prosper
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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AlphDoti wrote:McReggae wrote:kiterunner wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive....
Taking a person to the hospital is primarily an act of faith as well.
Sick people die in hospital too..
Both Owuor and docto rs depend on you for healing.
That is why they cannot raise the dead.. or really heal anyone. in 2015 AD that statement is breathtakingly silly. @mtu Biz, that statement is the most silly one I have heard in 2015. You mean now according to you "all what doctors learn as medical treatment" is all faith? Please educate me if I misunderstood you Doctors/Physicians go to school and study the human body, how one part affects the other, how to change the environment for a sick/wounded part to facilitate healing. The human body can and does heal itself. You have yourselves witnessed the many cuts and bruises you have ever had heal with almost no external intervention. The physician facilitates the process, drugs / therapy / surgery change the environment for the body to heal itself. I invite the comments of any physician in the house on the same.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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How does he fund his large living..... Look bigger than sadaka ya kawaida? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 1,063 Location: Kenya
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I saw him harassing a small whom it is claimed was blind now could see...Gave him fanta but the boy could not go for it...kept on asking the boy to go to his mother. How could the boy know who his mother was if all his life he had been blind! If that is yhe prophet who will take peopke to heaven...hio mbinguni nisiende!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:How does he fund his large living..... Look bigger than sadaka ya kawaida? I have always suspected that some religious movements launder money for organized crime, 'pharma' and take a fat percentage... I also know evangelist organizations from the US donate thousands of dollars to churches and aid organizations in Africa. A fellow I know keeps pulling 150,000 USD or so every 3 to 6 months in grants for 'peace keeping' efforts between warring/rustling Samburu and Pokot communities
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/7/2009 Posts: 1,032 Location: Sea of Transquility
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washiku wrote:
2. When someone who have been deaf since birth gets healed, how are they able to communicate in whichever language immediately? How did they learn the languages?
Somebody born deaf can actually speak/ be taught how to speak. You should read the story of Helen Keller who was deaf and blind from childhood and was able to learn to speak by reading peoples lips with her hands. She not only learnt how to speak but spent much of her life giving speeches and lecture. “small step for man”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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Ceinz wrote:washiku wrote:
2. When someone who have been deaf since birth gets healed, how are they able to communicate in whichever language immediately? How did they learn the languages?
Somebody born deaf can actually speak/ be taught how to speak. You should read the story of Helen Keller who was deaf and blind from childhood and was able to learn to speak by reading peoples lips with her hands. She not only learnt how to speak but spent much of her life giving speeches and lecture. The question here is can they be able to speak immediately after being healed? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/7/2009 Posts: 1,032 Location: Sea of Transquility
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Lolest! wrote:
2. Owuor is the last prophet that God is sending to the World. This was most shocking to me. You mean Owuor has become like that other false prophet, Muhammad?
What evidence do you have of Muhammad being a false prophet, write of what you know, not just for writing sake.  “small step for man”
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/5/2008 Posts: 532 Location: Nairobi
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2. When someone who have been deaf since birth gets healed, how are they able to communicate in whichever language immediately? How did they learn the languages?[/quote] huh? baffled! very valid question@ washiku.
Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Ceinz wrote:washiku wrote:
2. When someone who have been deaf since birth gets healed, how are they able to communicate in whichever language immediately? How did they learn the languages?
Somebody born deaf can actually speak/ be taught how to speak. You should read the story of Helen Keller who was deaf and blind from childhood and was able to learn to speak by reading peoples lips with her hands. She not only learnt how to speak but spent much of her life giving speeches and lecture. You have put it rightly: Somebody born deaf can BE TAUGHT how to talk. Helen was able to LEARN...Takes some time. Its not immediate...right?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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People heal all the time and i believe this is God’s work...the issue here is a human being who decides he knows the will of God and goes ahead to make money on it.
Imagine this..supposing someone woke up one day long before human beings could go to the moon and told you that he had powers to take you there and then the scientist come along and they invited you on a test flight...Would that guy be God himself or who..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:Ceinz wrote:washiku wrote:
2. When someone who have been deaf since birth gets healed, how are they able to communicate in whichever language immediately? How did they learn the languages?
Somebody born deaf can actually speak/ be taught how to speak. You should read the story of Helen Keller who was deaf and blind from childhood and was able to learn to speak by reading peoples lips with her hands. She not only learnt how to speak but spent much of her life giving speeches and lecture. You have put it rightly: Somebody born deaf can BE TAUGHT how to talk. Helen was able to LEARN...Takes some time. Its not immediate...right? It's possible for one to speak immediately after 'recovery' from congenital deafness when you consider what happened on the day of Pentecost as true. So the question isn't about what Owuor does or doesn't do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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streetwise wrote:People heal all the time and i believe this is God’s work...the issue here is a human being who decides he knows the will of God and goes ahead to make money on it.
Imagine this..supposing someone woke up one day long before human beings could go to the moon and told you that he had powers to take you there and then the scientist come along and they invited you on a test flight...Would that guy be God himself or who.. A glimpse of a part of 'God himself'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:McReggae wrote:kiterunner wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive....
Taking a person to the hospital is primarily an act of faith as well.
Sick people die in hospital too..
Both Owuor and docto rs depend on you for healing.
That is why they cannot raise the dead.. or really heal anyone. in 2015 AD that statement is breathtakingly silly. @mtu Biz, that statement is the most silly one I have heard in 2015. You mean now according to you "all what doctors learn as medical treatment" is all faith? Please educate me if I misunderstood you Doctors/Physicians go to school and study the human body, how one part affects the other, how to change the environment for a sick/wounded part to facilitate healing. The human body can and does heal itself. You have yourselves witnessed the many cuts and bruises you have ever had heal with almost no external intervention. The physician facilitates the process, drugs / therapy / surgery change the environment for the body to heal itself. I invite the comments of any physician in the house on the same. I am not a medic but I can imagine that applies to bone fractures which are rarely treated by miracle workers like your venerable Bishop DR Prophet Owuor However, lets try with kenya's leading killers 1) Infections like malaria, HIV, Pneumonia, tuberculosis..... These are mostly infections caused by pathogens and no amount of faith or prayers from the annointed one Owour will lead to your 'body healing itself'. Your doctor will prescribe a drug that will kill the pathogen and then you will be cured/healed and can thank Owuor and Kanyari if you want to. our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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@kiterunner Iam not defending Owuor or his ilk. See my previous posts on this subject. Then re read my comment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ceinz wrote:Lolest! wrote:
2. Owuor is the last prophet that God is sending to the World. This was most shocking to me. You mean Owuor has become like that other false prophet, Muhammad?
What evidence do you have of Muhammad being a false prophet, write of what you know, not just for writing sake. We have discussed this at length here in wazua. Just search that false prophet's name and you'll see what we have against him My apologies if you are a follower Happy 2015
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Kanyari part II modelled in finer software is what I see.
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