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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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stocksguru wrote:In retrospect, everyone is a genius, when I was taking a position on the various counters all the indicators and fundamentals where right for entry... That AK chart is very interesting. It is basing out.$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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sparkly wrote: MSC is a good investment in my opinion but you need to know when to take profits. Buying low (below 5) and selling high (above 7) is a good idea.
MSC good investment? With all the misfortunes befalling this company why would it be considered good? They are diversifying because sugar production is plagued with issues and there is no guarantee the new venture will bear fruit. Moreover, there is talk of a rights issue to raise capital. Please tell us what would drive MSC from 5 to 7? How long will this take? And in this time frame aren't there other more profitable counters?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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@stocksguru, relax the most important thing for an investor is emotionally stability if you believe the fundamentals of a company are right then stick to it. I watched NIC tumble from 55 to 23 last year I didn't panic because I knew the fundamentals were right so I bought more at 23-25 range. I bought into Uchumi starting from 10/= and I watched tumble to 6.80/= and I put my thoughts on wazua where people expressed pity that I was buying a monkey which would hit below 5/= but I didn't panic because the fundamentals were okay and I took a major plunge at 6.80-7.20/=.The rest is history
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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@stocksguru. Few have the courage to admit their mistakes, this is where growth in knowledge starts. My honest view. Kenya airways, eveready are hopeless companies. Divest from them. with eveready you even risk losing you principal- incase the company goes bankrupt. KQ will give you ulcers with current management and lose you more money( next time it rallies to 20's- sell and never look back, lets see how expansion will go-but im very sceptic). Im also a victim of KQ, i bought at around 46-50. I sold at a large loss. however then my investment was small so i recovered. Mumias. Its a good company with a very uncertain future. You can bet with them if you believe they will thrive post comesa. access to me is the best counter you are holding. I think it has hit its rock bottom like others have stated. I believe it could make you money. There are gems to pick at the moment. HFCK, KENGEN. and others. If pain of selling at a loss is too much. do not average down, invest heavily in new counters. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Mukiri wrote:sparkly wrote: MSC is a good investment in my opinion but you need to know when to take profits. Buying low (below 5) and selling high (above 7) is a good idea.
MSC good investment? With all the misfortunes befalling this company why would it be considered good? They are diversifying because sugar production is plagued with issues and there is no guarantee the new venture will bear fruit. Moreover, there is talk of a rights issue to raise capital. Please tell us what would drive MSC from 5 to 7? How long will this take? And in this time frame aren't there other more profitable counters? @Mukiri there is lots of uncertainty about the company's future but they are still in profits and pay a dividend. Sugar is a basic commodity so chances of a complete wipeout are low. The charts for the stock are also predictable. With MSC i trade technicals not fundamentals. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 10/19/2012 Posts: 8
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My 4 Bets going forward are Kengen, Kenya Re, Access Kenya and Transcentury. If I were you, I would start exiting KQ, Eveready and MSC in the next few weeks hoping to get the best price for each in this bull market. After the elections or when the stocks go down, try get a low entry point for the four I have mentioned above.
We have all lost money in the market at one point or another, but the main thing is to persist, do a portfolio re-balance whenever you feel it is time to. I believe you can recover your losses.... you surely can! All the best.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 830
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I believe what @aguy has said is the best advice.If you cant handle the stress of selling your current counters at a loss,then dont average down...just start afresh with new counters and new cash. #goodluck# A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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S.Mutaga III wrote:I believe what @aguy has said is the best advice.If you cant handle the stress of selling your current counters at a loss,then dont average down...just start afresh with new counters and new cash. #goodluck# true... experience is the best teacher The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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My anthem all along in my years trading stocks from paper to electronic has been that long term is a summation of short terms and that a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. I only do a max of 3 stocks often 2 which I always monitor every day. Here im talking about price,any changes in management of that coompany,action of competitors,macro economic environment etc. Truth is it's easier for you to know almost everything about something as opposed to something about everything. These 2 stocks must be: 1) Growth stocks - Doing profits of 40% plus or have future potential. 2) Liquid - Very important coz of ease of entry & exit. 3) Darling of foreigners/Elicit foreign investor interest. Im currently invested in Safaricom & KCB. The picks keep changing depending on the fortunes of the company. For instance,i dumped Equity for KCB in October 2011 & I have been trading it since then(buying in dips & selling in surges). Waiting to see its Q1 2013 to know if it'l still be in my best 2. Equity bank kept me going from 2006-2011 due to its high growth rates then but clearly KCB has been able to come out strong since. Before that I had EABL,MSC, & KQ which I dumped in 2004,2005 & 2006. Safaricom also meets my above criteria & will still remain in my portfolio. I have also learnt never to get emotional with stocks. If they cease to meet my criteria outlined above,i dump them like yesterday. Case in point is EABL, KQ,MSC & Equity & that todays winners are not necessary tomorrows,hence the need to constantly evaluate & revise your stock picks. There is also the need for timing. To know the best time to get in & also out. Greed & fear are always at play. Managing these makes all the difference. Happy investing @stocksguru. Hope 2013 works out for you investmentwise! Be blessed! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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stocksguru wrote: I am sure that many of you out there have the same shares in your portfolios but are too ashamed to say so, if you made the decision why not be proud enough to stand by it?
Looking forward to continued positive responses
No shame in having certain shares in one's portfolio. I had access as part of my speculative portfolio, made some profits trading it between 16-21 which were wiped out when it started the downward spiral. sold at a loss when it went sub 10 and put the cash elsewhere. Still have a few for sentimental reasons. When recovery starts i will be a buyer. similarly i have some KQ picked at 19 plus the rights but they make up a less than 2% of my portfolio so no worry. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 830
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Ever since I started investing,I have learnt the following lessons:- Predicting the direction of a stock is a futile exercise,so I always refer any investor to the allegory of Mr.Market by Benjamin Graham.Since my pessimism extends to the point of not trusting the books of a/c of all companies,I only buy companies that have a dividend yield of >8%...I am of the opinion that dividends can be used to measure the health of a company sice you cant give what you havent earned.As the yield increases,the price falls,meaning I automatically buy at low prices.I also know that it is necessary to take the guesswork out of investing,so I average down with my first batch bought at 8% dividend yield mostly after books close.I diversify to a maximum of four counters. A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:My anthem all along in my years trading stocks from paper to electronic has been that long term is a summation of short terms and that a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. I only do a max of 3 stocks often 2 which I always monitor every day. Here im talking about price,any changes in management of that coompany,action of competitors,macro economic environment etc. Truth is it's easier for you to know almost everything about something as opposed to something about everything. These 2 stocks must be: 1) Growth stocks - Doing profits of 40% plus or have future potential. 2) Liquid - Very important coz of ease of entry & exit. 3) Darling of foreigners/Elicit foreign investor interest. Im currently invested in Safaricom & KCB. The picks keep changing depending on the fortunes of the company. For instance,i dumped Equity for KCB in October 2011 & I have been trading it since then(buying in dips & selling in surges). Waiting to see its Q1 2013 to know if it'l still be in my best 2. Equity bank kept me going from 2006-2011 due to its high growth rates then but clearly KCB has been able to come out strong since. Before that I had EABL,MSC, & KQ which I dumped in 2004,2005 & 2006. Safaricom also meets my above criteria & will still remain in my portfolio.
I have also learnt never to get emotional with stocks. If they cease to meet my criteria outlined above,i dump them like yesterday. Case in point is EABL, KQ,MSC & Equity & that todays winners are not necessary tomorrows,hence the need to constantly evaluate & revise your stock picks.
There is also the need for timing. To know the best time to get in & also out. Greed & fear are always at play. Managing these makes all the difference.
Happy investing @stocksguru. Hope 2013 works out for you investmentwise!
Be blessed!
I might just adopt this strategy! I'm selling my Safcom and KCB in this bull run and might re-stock incase of a dip. In search of new counters I've heard mention of JH, Kengen, HFCK and $$. What do you think?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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@Mukiri,the 3 other counters you've mentined are great particularly in the sectors that they are in. but jus make sure you dont over diversify. Focus is key. Also make sure your broker is not only reliable, but available to place your orders immediately. All the best in 2013! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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@spt , mutaga . i was of the same school of thought about holding few counts less than 5. the i read intelligent investor by benjamin graham . there is a whole chapter explaining why one needs to diversify to at least around 10 companies if diversified sectors. its one of the pillars of the safety of a portfolio and goes hand in hand with his recommended value investing. the exception to this rule is if u are a brilliant investor where diversifying will just dilute your profits. i currently hold 5 companies but i want to add at least 3 more that meet his criteria they are hard to find at times. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Aguytrying wrote:@spt , mutaga . i was of the same school of thought about holding few counts less than 5. the i read intelligent investor by benjamin graham . there is a whole chapter explaining why one needs to diversify to at least around 10 companies if diversified sectors. its one of the pillars of the safety of a portfolio and goes hand in hand with his recommended value investing. the exception to this rule is if u are a brilliant investor where diversifying will just dilute your profits. i currently hold 5 companies but i want to add at least 3 more that meet his criteria they are hard to find at times. Which 5 are these?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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@Aguy,thanks for your input. I think it depends on the time you have to devote in your investments. Id say diversifying into like 10 counters is good when you have less time on you but if all you do is stock trading,you dont want to be all over! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/19/2007 Posts: 68
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Thanks for the insight, how exactly will Access recover unless if it is bought off by Safaricom Jamii with their FIBA is busy eating away at Access's high end residential business, they have extended deeper into Karen, Runda, Loresho and Muthaiga. On the other hand Safaricom has has gone flat out with WiMax installations and the retail market. Another party taking away business from Access if their former partner now operating as Xtranet. An with Altech looking for a buyer to take over their stake in KDN it seems the fiber to the building/home business in Nairobi is over saturated. Almost forgot about FON who have the backing of Soliton are a formidable player who cannot be ignored. Bell has pulled another one from his hat with the 7 Billion investment to roll out triple play in the middle income areas of Nairobi of which Access blatantly ignored when they had the opportunity. Aguytrying wrote:@stocksguru.
Few have the courage to admit their mistakes, this is where growth in knowledge starts. My honest view.
Kenya airways, eveready are hopeless companies. Divest from them. with eveready you even risk losing you principal- incase the company goes bankrupt. KQ will give you ulcers with current management and lose you more money( next time it rallies to 20's- sell and never look back, lets see how expansion will go-but im very sceptic). Im also a victim of KQ, i bought at around 46-50. I sold at a large loss. however then my investment was small so i recovered.
Mumias. Its a good company with a very uncertain future. You can bet with them if you believe they will thrive post comesa.
access to me is the best counter you are holding. I think it has hit its rock bottom like others have stated. I believe it could make you money.
There are gems to pick at the moment. HFCK, KENGEN. and others. If pain of selling at a loss is too much. do not average down, invest heavily in new counters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Mukiri wrote:Aguytrying wrote:@spt , mutaga . i was of the same school of thought about holding few counts less than 5. the i read intelligent investor by benjamin graham . there is a whole chapter explaining why one needs to diversify to at least around 10 companies if diversified sectors. its one of the pillars of the safety of a portfolio and goes hand in hand with his recommended value investing. the exception to this rule is if u are a brilliant investor where diversifying will just dilute your profits. i currently hold 5 companies but i want to add at least 3 more that meet his criteria they are hard to find at times. Which 5 are these? HFCK, KENGEN, WTK, KENO,KPLC my cross hairs are on. BERG, TPSE, KNRE, UNGA, REA, CFC but at the right prices. some like BERG, UNGA and REA have already taken off. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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stocksguru wrote:Thanks for the insight, how exactly will Access recover unless if it is bought off by Safaricom Jamii with their FIBA is busy eating away at Access's high end residential business, they have extended deeper into Karen, Runda, Loresho and Muthaiga. On the other hand Safaricom has has gone flat out with WiMax installations and the retail market. Another party taking away business from Access if their former partner now operating as Xtranet. An with Altech looking for a buyer to take over their stake in KDN it seems the fiber to the building/home business in Nairobi is over saturated. Almost forgot about FON who have the backing of Soliton are a formidable player who cannot be ignored. Bell has pulled another one from his hat with the 7 Billion investment to roll out triple play in the middle income areas of Nairobi of which Access blatantly ignored when they had the opportunity. Aguytrying wrote:@stocksguru.
Few have the courage to admit their mistakes, this is where growth in knowledge starts. My honest view.
Kenya airways, eveready are hopeless companies. Divest from them. with eveready you even risk losing you principal- incase the company goes bankrupt. KQ will give you ulcers with current management and lose you more money( next time it rallies to 20's- sell and never look back, lets see how expansion will go-but im very sceptic). Im also a victim of KQ, i bought at around 46-50. I sold at a large loss. however then my investment was small so i recovered.
Mumias. Its a good company with a very uncertain future. You can bet with them if you believe they will thrive post comesa.
access to me is the best counter you are holding. I think it has hit its rock bottom like others have stated. I believe it could make you money.
There are gems to pick at the moment. HFCK, KENGEN. and others. If pain of selling at a loss is too much. do not average down, invest heavily in new counters.
I cant make a case for ACCESS, but of the shares you own, i think it has the better prospects share price wise. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/19/2007 Posts: 68
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Thanks Quote: I cant make a case for ACCESS, but of the shares you own, i think it has the better prospects share price wise.
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