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KPLC share capital restructuring - Time to bail out?
mwanahisa
#41 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:29:36 AM
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So now we are expecting a rights price of 164. Let Mr. Market speak. The mkt is opening....
guru267
#42 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:33:51 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
So now we are expecting a rights price of 164. Let Mr. Market speak. The mkt is opening....


opened at 250 but down to 240...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
2012
#43 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:34:11 AM
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Are you guys serious?? This is GREAT!

BBI will solve it
:)
guru267
#44 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:36:44 AM
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2012 wrote:
Are you guys serious?? This is GREAT!


316000 shares traded in the first minute of tradeApplause
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Iborian
#45 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:43:37 AM
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Price at 240. Not much of a rally there then. Looks like the news was already factored into the price.
VituVingiSana
#46 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:46:00 AM
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Folks do not know the news! They have not read the papers yet PLUS the details on the Rights Issue have not been 'provided'... coz CMA has to approve the Rights Issue & Conversion...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
2012
#47 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:02:09 AM
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Iborian wrote:
Price at 240. Not much of a rally there then. Looks like the news was already factored into the price.


Give it time. I see 270/- sooner than later.

BBI will solve it
:)
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#48 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:08:09 AM
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@mwanahisa, to me a fair PE to give KPLC would be 14.64(The Sector PE instead of 120, never mind Kengen is trading at a trailing PE of 18.62.
Now with a PE of 14.64, with a diluted trailing PE of 23.86, u run to the bank with a comfortable 348.59!
Waht did i say? 348.59
u guys had beta buy this stock!
@SufficientlyP
mwanahisa
#49 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:21:48 AM
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@SP, Utilities tend to command lower PE ratios in most markets partly because they tend to be low growth companies for a variety of reasons. We can debate about the applicability of that in the Kenyan market given that KPLC while not growing at a stratospheric rate, is still growing revenues and profits steadily and will continue to do so.

For this reason, I prefer to err on the side of caution and maintain my PE ratio of 12. That would still bring some nice upside from the current price and the beauty for me is that it will be likely to happen before the end of this year.

It appears that the price movement is being skewed by a particularly large seller who probably bought it below 150. I can't blame them. I am being greedy on this though one - I am hanging onto some that I bought at 120 although I added at 200.
Magnetic Touch
#50 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:37:42 AM
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A fair PE ratio on this counter is 10. Because of the level of Govt shareholding. Look at all the others where Govt has big shareholding (IGNORE KenGen - which is an outlier).
Renegade
#51 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:23:32 PM
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Judging from the price action, resistance level is at 240. PE of 10 looks about right.
guru267
#52 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:08:41 PM
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Magnetic Touch wrote:
A fair PE ratio on this counter is 10. Because of the level of Govt shareholding. Look at all the others where Govt has big shareholding (IGNORE KenGen - which is an outlier).


@magnetic touch there is no way that you can say that KPLC right now is where its suppose to be because you know all the uncertainty is gone.... and G.O.K will hold only 50+1% in the company after the rights issue.... then there's the split....Laughing out loudly

this stock is worth more than 300 and anyone who knows a thing or 2 about investing would be buying into it...

i'm even willing to average up to 160 now unless someone out there can tell me one thing wrong with this counter... JUST ONE!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Gordon Gekko
#53 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:14:32 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
I'm not in KPLC, but the prospects look good. I intend to buy a token 100 shares then wait for the rights issue where I will apply for extra shares at the rights price.smile



@GG there is NO WAY you will get extra allocation... this share is madly held by institutions who will gladly take up all their rights... plus i heard all the renounced G.O.K rights will be only available to institutions....

My strategy is to get these rights on the open market....


plus i'm wondering if there will be any price reaction today!!!


At @vvs price of ksh 238, there MUST be an under-subscription if they put out 488M(shs 15B), therefore I think my strategy is solid.
PKoli
#54 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:18:49 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
I'm not in KPLC, but the prospects look good. I intend to buy a token 100 shares then wait for the rights issue where I will apply for extra shares at the rights price.smile



@GG there is NO WAY you will get extra allocation... this share is madly held by institutions who will gladly take up all their rights... plus i heard all the renounced G.O.K rights will be only available to institutions....

My strategy is to get these rights on the open market....


plus i'm wondering if there will be any price reaction today!!!


At @vvs price of ksh 238, there MUST be an under-subscription if they put out 488M(shs 15B), therefore I think my strategy is solid.


@GG,

I did excatly that today, got myself minimum (ie 100 shares). I will use that as a bait to apply for huge rights if the price looks reasonable. If the price is not I will not bother and will just sell off the stock later.
guru267
#55 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:44:52 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
At @vvs price of ksh 238, there MUST be an under-subscription if they put out 488M(shs 15B), therefore I think my strategy is solid.


@GG @VVS and I came up with 167 as the rights issue price not 238 there will be no under subscription
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
2012
#56 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 3:25:59 PM
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Why is KPLC down almost 3% today? I thought conversion of the preference shares to ordinary would be good news to shareholders?
Govt. will receive an equivalent of 15/- per share while we get 8/- if we use the new conversion....

Pse someone educate me because I don't think I get this one.

BBI will solve it
:)
KIRTI
#57 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 4:02:31 PM
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2012 wrote:
Why is KPLC down almost 3% today? I thought conversion of the preference shares to ordinary would be good news to shareholders?
Govt. will receive an equivalent of 15/- per share while we get 8/- if we use the new conversion....

Pse someone educate me because I don't think I get this one.

conversion of 794,962,491 P.share of 20 each to 76,622,891 of ordinary share of 20each.means convert @ 207.50 per share.
794,962,491 p.share x 20 = 15,899,249,820
76,622,891 x 207.5 = 15,899,249,882
GOK will get big portion of right.so share price will godown.
Sober
#58 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 4:43:22 PM
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Get onto this band wagon or else you will keep on regretting like some people looking at scan group.
I got in at 215 threee years ago. I have been toping up as i wait for this called restructuring. It's a win win situation. Only if you get in at sub 300. Ask me why when the rights are here.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
2012
#59 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 5:01:56 PM
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KIRTI wrote:
GOK will get big portion of right.so share price will godown.


@KIRTI,
As things stand what price would you buy it at?

BBI will solve it
:)
KIRTI
#60 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 5:47:59 PM
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2012 wrote:
KIRTI wrote:
GOK will get big portion of right.so share price will godown.


@KIRTI,
As things stand what price would you buy it at?

I will not buy from the market. I will apply for additional right.
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