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ITS TIME TO RECONSIDER THE HANGING ACT
josiah33
#21 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 6:46:45 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Rahatupu, I am having trouble with understanding 'We chose Western philosophy. . . there are alternatives'. The 'we' is a major problem in the sense that it denotes the whole of humanity. To say it means 'African' brings more problems.

Can a philosophy be chosen? And when is it chosen? What kind of person would choose a philosophy?

To say that a philosophy can be chosen is to imply that there is something higher than philosophy, or rather, philosophy is devoid of being. This is death. This is not philosophy.

Crime is an unwanted product of the social system. Can a perfect system be created? Even Moses knew that he could not flatter himself.

Is the governor aware that the person about to be hanged is himself? Is he aware that he is the problem as he is the solution?

Moses, Confucius, and Mohammed had their turns in answering these questions but now it's my turn. Your turn.

Trust Tycho to wax philosophical about everything.
kollabo
#22 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 7:38:53 PM
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alma wrote:
@King G, there is no law that provides for looking like a thug, smelling like a thug or behaving like a thug. Even laughing like a thug.

Even if we hired 10,000 hangmen and had them in each village, you have to prosecute them first.

Successful prosecution means that you come up with credible evidence. Evidence can only be found by proper investigations.

If any of these is not there, then your 10,000 hangmen will be chewing miraa in the High Court Corridors.

Be angry but be angry at the right people.

In other countries, the commissioner of police would have been forced to resign and the DPP following closely after for such a shoddy job.

The magistrate saved their face by giving them 1m in bond and a surety. They probably won't be able to raise that. If they do, then follow the people who raised that money for them.

But keep the judiciary out of nonsensical and pathetic police and prosecution behaviour.


Get your facts right. Police have 48 hrs to present a suspect in court. This is not sufficient time to accumulate evidence that will lead to a conviction. They asked the court to remand the suspects as investigations continue. Magistrate declined and granted bail under the new law.

Might I remind you that under the old law robbery with violence was a charge under the HANGING Act where suspects were not entitled to bail. That is now gone because you voted for a new constitution.

So please desist from accusing the police of incompetence if you have no facts to back your allegations.
githundi
#23 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 11:05:48 PM
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kollabo wrote:
alma wrote:
@King G, there is no law that provides for looking like a thug, smelling like a thug or behaving like a thug. Even laughing like a thug.

Even if we hired 10,000 hangmen and had them in each village, you have to prosecute them first.

Successful prosecution means that you come up with credible evidence. Evidence can only be found by proper investigations.

If any of these is not there, then your 10,000 hangmen will be chewing miraa in the High Court Corridors.

Be angry but be angry at the right people.

In other countries, the commissioner of police would have been forced to resign and the DPP following closely after for such a shoddy job.

The magistrate saved their face by giving them 1m in bond and a surety. They probably won't be able to raise that. If they do, then follow the people who raised that money for them.

But keep the judiciary out of nonsensical and pathetic police and prosecution behaviour.


Get your facts right. Police have 48 hrs to present a suspect in court. This is not sufficient time to accumulate evidence that will lead to a conviction. They asked the court to remand the suspects as investigations continue. Magistrate declined and granted bail under the new law.

Might I remind you that under the old law robbery with violence was a charge under the HANGING Act where suspects were not entitled to bail. That is now gone because you voted for a new constitution.

So please desist from accusing the police of incompetence if you have no facts to back your allegations.

I concur. We have inadequate resource allocations to the same institutions we are looking down on. The same applies to our laws e.g the police are expected to arrest the same thugs who are killing them. Worse , if they manage to arrest them, the following day they are released by courts ready to kill and maim again.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
tycho
#24 Posted : Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:34:27 AM
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Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:

Crime is an unwanted product of the social system. Can a perfect system be created? ...

Moses, Confucius, and Mohammed had their turns in answering these questions but now it's my turn. Your turn.

@tycho what is the solution then?
- Crime
- Drug abuse
- Prostitution and excess women
- etc


Let me begin by acknowledging that all these crimes and transgressions are part of me, and that if there are any solutions to be offered, they must begin with my being.

But what is the basis of my being? My being is based on the great spirit of love that was in the 'begining', that now is, and will forever be. This is the
spirit that ever seeks perfection even when I am imperfect and ignorant.

Yet my imperfection and ignorance have been justified, and covered by the conscious being of the Man God, the eternal bridge between imperfection and perfection.

Behold there was a time when I acted with total disregard and ignorance of the great spirit of love. But even then I sought the truth, for my heart was not at peace. Now as I speak my being has been transformed by the consciousness of my identity with the great spirit of love, and in this consciousness have I found the power to speak, and act.

And so do I realize all humanity shares this identity, and that I am everyone and every one is me.

If then I am responsible for all my actions and for all people, the reins of government are in my hands, and I must ensure that all people come to consciousness of their identity.

So far, mythology has obsecured our identity and the resultant institutions have worked to enslave the human person. This decadent mythology must be abolished.

I must also be at the fore front in establishing appropriate social and economic systems that will support our newly found consciousness. These institutions range from education to correctional facilities.

If my mind has been transformed, then other minds too can be transformed, and hence we must always be patient and merciful.

But because we must allow people to make choices, we may find ourselves with the very stubborn who will stretch our patience and mercy. These people will not be killed, but they will be used as 'tools' to further the cause of the Man God in special projects that may involve robotics and mind control, or even projects like populating the moon.

But it is my expectation that our new sense of identity and power will surmount all problems as each of us will have the power to name, and all will have the freedom of speech.



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