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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/17/2007 Posts: 1,345
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Gordon Gekko wrote:@Buster, what about the pavement? it looks pretty normal to me, are you suggesting it has been disturbed by the explosion? That is very unlikely as the weakest link in this configuration are the tyres of the vehicles, which are all intact. Any explosion that could have interfered with the pavement would have done in the tyres too. Also note that the kerbs are all intact. Any force from the explosion would have interfered with them.
That aside, I have always said that the solution to this problem must include the return of foreigners to their homes. Because we don't seem to know who is kenyan and who isn't, we must be brave. Then we undo the irregular security forces appointments and promotions of the last ten years. Eish! I was merely pointing out that this could not be Eastleigh as they have no such roads.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr wrote:We really have to change the way we do things, these people now know how we operate and are taking advantage of our weak points Like taking a matatu and driving beside a matatu After implementing bigchicks police state of metal detectors on every matatu (more contracts to they boot lickers), nyumba kumi kumi (spy on your neighbour), community policing (but arrest and extort all somalis), what's next? Have Kanu youth wingers roaming around in their red uniforms? When you have bombs being thrown in buses in a country, the problem is the gov't and the security apparatus. Not the citizens who passed away after going shopping in Eastleigh. Respectfully. If you cant live in a police state then you'll have to move to where there will be no police. Am sorry but all those peaceful countries you see in the world actually are "police states". All the places i've been, my neighbors have incisted on knowing me and if anyone/thing looking abnormal is seen in the estate i'll be obliged to call the cops and trust me in most instances someone else has already called. @Bigchick you have very valid points there, 911 bombings changed the way people used to fly, we have to change b4 is too late. And dont let alma make yu feel like you said nothing he's still bitter about the outcome of the erections in march. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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murchr wrote:alma wrote:murchr wrote:We really have to change the way we do things, these people now know how we operate and are taking advantage of our weak points Like taking a matatu and driving beside a matatu After implementing bigchicks police state of metal detectors on every matatu (more contracts to they boot lickers), nyumba kumi kumi (spy on your neighbour), community policing (but arrest and extort all somalis), what's next? Have Kanu youth wingers roaming around in their red uniforms? When you have bombs being thrown in buses in a country, the problem is the gov't and the security apparatus. Not the citizens who passed away after going shopping in Eastleigh. Respectfully. If you cant live in a police state then you'll have to move to where there will be no police. Am sorry but all those peaceful countries you see in the world actually are "police states". All the places i've been, my neighbors have incisted on knowing me and if anyone/thing looking abnormal is seen in the estate i'll be obliged to call the cops and trust me in most instances someone else has already called. @Bigchick you have very valid points there, 911 bombings changed the way people used to fly, we have to change b4 is too late. And dont let alma make yu feel like you said nothing he's still bitter about the outcome of the erections in march. It's good to see that at least you have been to and lived in those "peaceful" countries. Your experience in this matters is highly appreciated. I can also see you are a psychologist to boot. I feel my emotional state thus far is due to bitter loss. All this time I thought you were pro-gov't all the time. And I mean all the time. I deeply apologise for my misconceptions. I promise to tow the line from now henceforth. I will never say anything that will make you feel that I don't love my country. And I will always always support whatever policy the gov't comes up with. Including but not limited to laptops, Konza etc etc. To show that i have seen the errors of my ways. That Betty chick had extremely big boobs. Please please now accept me in your mama na baba club. Please pretty please Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr wrote:alma wrote:murchr wrote:We really have to change the way we do things, these people now know how we operate and are taking advantage of our weak points Like taking a matatu and driving beside a matatu After implementing bigchicks police state of metal detectors on every matatu (more contracts to they boot lickers), nyumba kumi kumi (spy on your neighbour), community policing (but arrest and extort all somalis), what's next? Have Kanu youth wingers roaming around in their red uniforms? When you have bombs being thrown in buses in a country, the problem is the gov't and the security apparatus. Not the citizens who passed away after going shopping in Eastleigh. Respectfully. If you cant live in a police state then you'll have to move to where there will be no police. Am sorry but all those peaceful countries you see in the world actually are "police states". All the places i've been, my neighbors have incisted on knowing me and if anyone/thing looking abnormal is seen in the estate i'll be obliged to call the cops and trust me in most instances someone else has already called. @Bigchick you have very valid points there, 911 bombings changed the way people used to fly, we have to change b4 is too late. And dont let alma make yu feel like you said nothing he's still bitter about the outcome of the erections in march. It's good to see that at least you have been to and lived in those "peaceful" countries. Your experience in this matters is highly appreciated. I can also see you are a psychologist to boot. I feel my emotional state thus far is due to bitter loss. All this time I thought you were pro-gov't all the time. And I mean all the time. I deeply apologise for my misconceptions. I promise to tow the line from now henceforth. I will never say anything that will make you feel that I don't love my country. And I will always always support whatever policy the gov't comes up with. Including but not limited to laptops, Konza etc etc. To show that i have seen the errors of my ways. That Betty chick had extremely big boobs. Please please now accept me in your mama na baba club. Please pretty please You must be PMSing get yourself some space "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Pole mkubwa sitarudia.....(as i leave the room with my head bowed in shame) Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Snarkiness and sarcasm aside  I agree with what @murchr is saying. For effective security, citizens must surrender some small liberties. ..suffer some annoying minor intrusion of privacy by the state. He is also correct this is how the west works. When you fly to the US for example, you submit a full set of prints, eye scans, address, work and financial information to their database. They will also require a specific address of where you will be staying with some provisos to inform some sheriff or some law enforcement if you change address. Israel requires you have one registered home number and one mobile number. You can have another but it is not an ordinary process and thorough vetting is done. Similar rules apply for residences. The local law enforcement resient neighbours know who you are and where you are from. In some countries, large cash transactions are not allowed. Businesses are forced to install CCTVs linked to govt monitored commands. So yes, police states. Everyone is watched. Now this might spark a debate on how much intrusion is enough, that is not my point. I prefer vigilance to being paralyzed by fear, and the knowledge that our government does not know what dangerous elements walk within our borders. But thats me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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quicksand wrote:Snarkiness and sarcasm aside I agree with what @murchr is saying. For effective security, citizens must surrender some small liberties. ..suffer some annoying minor intrusion of privacy by the state. He is also correct this is how the west works. When you fly to the US for example, you submit a full set of prints, eye scans, address, work and financial information to their database. They will also require a specific address of where you will be staying with some provisos to inform some sheriff or some law enforcement if you change address. Israel requires you have one registered home number and one mobile number. You can have another but it is not an ordinary process and thorough vetting is done. Similar rules apply for residences. The local law enforcement resient neighbours know who you are and where you are from. In some countries, large cash transactions are not allowed. Businesses are forced to install CCTVs linked to govt monitored commands. So yes, police states. Everyone is watched. Now this might spark a debate on how much intrusion is enough, that is not my point. I prefer vigilance to being paralyzed by fear, and the knowledge that our government does not know what dangerous elements walk within our borders. But thats me. quicksand thank you for bringing soberness to the debate. But what came first, the ability to do the work or the change in policy. Or do they go hand in hand? Imagine if you may a situation where the US passed a law to do with checking your thumb prints at the airport then did not supply the equipment or the training to do the actual job? Would that law have passed? It is ok to want to have new law, but new laws are only as effective as the funds and wherewithal to actualise them. what we have in place instead is a situation of knee jerk laws that cannot be implemented and end up being used instead to harass innocent citizens while rendering the people supposed to police those laws powerless. Look at our current traffic laws. As draconian as they come. But have we set aside funds to ensure that they are done? Legislation and funds to legislate come hand in hand. In Kenya what we have is a situation where we create laws that we know in our hearts will never be implemented. We know that we can't tell all matatus to have metal detectors because we can't afford them. But we shall pass the law anyway. after a few months of hubris, we go back to our usual state and the laws are used instead to extort and bribe. That's just the reality. So go srowry with our dreamy dust gathering laws and instead try and implement what we have. Otherwise this will be another Mutotho law talking about booze sniffing dogs in all highways when there are only 100 police dogs, 2 police cars that work on the highways. Laws that aren't funded are oppressive laws used to corrupt. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:quicksand wrote:Snarkiness and sarcasm aside I agree with what @murchr is saying. For effective security, citizens must surrender some small liberties. ..suffer some annoying minor intrusion of privacy by the state. He is also correct this is how the west works. When you fly to the US for example, you submit a full set of prints, eye scans, address, work and financial information to their database. They will also require a specific address of where you will be staying with some provisos to inform some sheriff or some law enforcement if you change address. Israel requires you have one registered home number and one mobile number. You can have another but it is not an ordinary process and thorough vetting is done. Similar rules apply for residences. The local law enforcement resient neighbours know who you are and where you are from. In some countries, large cash transactions are not allowed. Businesses are forced to install CCTVs linked to govt monitored commands. So yes, police states. Everyone is watched. Now this might spark a debate on how much intrusion is enough, that is not my point. I prefer vigilance to being paralyzed by fear, and the knowledge that our government does not know what dangerous elements walk within our borders. But thats me. quicksand thank you for bringing soberness to the debate. But what came first, the ability to do the work or the change in policy. Or do they go hand in hand? Imagine if you may a situation where the US passed a law to do with checking your thumb prints at the airport then did not supply the equipment or the training to do the actual job? Would that law have passed? It is ok to want to have new law, but new laws are only as effective as the funds and wherewithal to actualise them. what we have in place instead is a situation of knee jerk laws that cannot be implemented and end up being used instead to harass innocent citizens while rendering the people supposed to police those laws powerless. Look at our current traffic laws. As draconian as they come. But have we set aside funds to ensure that they are done? Legislation and funds to legislate come hand in hand. In Kenya what we have is a situation where we create laws that we know in our hearts will never be implemented. We know that we can't tell all matatus to have metal detectors because we can't afford them. But we shall pass the law anyway. after a few months of hubris, we go back to our usual state and the laws are used instead to extort and bribe. That's just the reality. So go srowry with our dreamy dust gathering laws and instead try and implement what we have. Otherwise this will be another Mutotho law talking about booze sniffing dogs in all highways when there are only 100 police dogs, 2 police cars that work on the highways. Laws that aren't funded are oppressive laws used to corrupt. Then in that case we have even deeper problems. It is the citizens who are ultimately at fault. Laws dont work because we elect corrupt leaders. We elect corrupt leaders cause we are corrupt citizens. It is that simple.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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I can't agree more to what you guys are pointing out, @muchr @alma and @quicksand. You're in point, it summarizes these Kenyan scenarios of putting-the-cart-before-the-horse!
And on the citizen electing corrupt leaders, I think it's primarily because of tribal disease.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Really what is required so as a law is implemented? We have a rogue driver who is supposed to be licensed, we have a cop who is supposed to implement the law, we have a court system that is supposed to punish or exonerate and we have rules that are supposed to be followed. What don't we have? For the case of security in our buses. Don't we have designated bus stops in the city? Why cant we follow the law and have people alight and board buses where they are supposed to? Is it because we're lazy or we're too complacent and blind to see the danger that we now have? I know if Uhuru is to insist on a database that requires us to state where we live...the likes of alma will be up in arms opposing SMH "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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