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masukuma		#21 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:09:51 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		I think we sometimes miss the point - if Turkana was so bad - how come people live there? Sio ati walihamia huko juzi... they have been living there for centuries, if a place is really bad no one stays there - you migrate sindio? no one lives in the middle of the sahara without an oasis - sindio? ...so ask yourself... what changed? I have a theory the people there were once self sufficient (they are the 3rd largest Nilotic tribe in Kenya) but after one bad drought people out of their own goodwill came with Aid and now the people there are dependent on Aid and cannot think for themselves - it really has not thing to do with people outside Turkana. We will come with solutions to do agrarian type agriculture - they are culturally not planters (in some places those who plant are considered weak). So, instead of us coming up with solution that make sense to us in the 'greener' part of the Kenya we need to empower them so that they can find solutions for themselves that make sense in their context. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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nakujua		#22 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:14:46 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya		Jamani wrote: otienosmall wrote: …oooh! tunaomba serkal!...oooh! we are marginalised! ….ooh! blablabla…. This song is weird and goes to show how stupid a people can get. I go to a certain village and marvel at the access of plenty fresh piped water. How it came about; community starts a project contribute to a kitty, buy pipes, dig many kilometres of furrow for the pipes and there they go. Same with electricity; starts a village project, takes as more as 10 years to achieve but finally is done. So what prevents that village from North Eastern, Ukambani and other places from doing a similar thing? If the Eastern fellows probably sell ten cows or a few camels per homestead and pool to a kitty, they can sink themselves a community borehole…that’s no rocket science! Otherwise let’s keep ombaring serkal because we are merginalized Its all in the head.... poverty is in the head. easy to say that when you had available to you a good education, security and a roof over your head. did you have to organize your community to dig boreholes ama you had tapped water. all the places that are developed had a big intervention from the government to kick start the developments, even in the developed world
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nakujua		#23 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:17:54 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya		eco wrote: Blue Gold. Wars of the future will be fought over water as they are over oil today. The US is setting strategic military bases in East Africa (UG) and Latin America (Paraguay). Why? More here... then they will be shipping the water in ships over the ocean in heavy rain storms to their homes in the west.
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josiah33		#24 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:10:20 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777		Can the community really afford to have boreholes sunk buy selling a few cows? ....And that water can be used for livestock farming too if that's what they can do best, after all agriculture is not just about planting crops.
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murchr		#25 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:03:49 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		nakujua wrote: Jamani wrote: otienosmall wrote: …oooh! tunaomba serkal!...oooh! we are marginalised! ….ooh! blablabla…. This song is weird and goes to show how stupid a people can get. I go to a certain village and marvel at the access of plenty fresh piped water. How it came about; community starts a project contribute to a kitty, buy pipes, dig many kilometres of furrow for the pipes and there they go. Same with electricity; starts a village project, takes as more as 10 years to achieve but finally is done. So what prevents that village from North Eastern, Ukambani and other places from doing a similar thing? If the Eastern fellows probably sell ten cows or a few camels per homestead and pool to a kitty, they can sink themselves a community borehole…that’s no rocket science! Otherwise let’s keep ombaring serkal because we are merginalized Its all in the head.... poverty is in the head. easy to say that when you had available to you a good education, security and a roof over your head. did you have to organize your community to dig boreholes ama you had tapped water. all the places that are developed had a big intervention from the government to kick start the developments, even in the developed world First of all Otienosmall, it is the duty of the govt to provide its citizens with the basic needs of survival so these residents/people have everyright to complain of being marginalized. Secondly, boreholes cannot be sunk everywhere, we may have water underground but a simple borehole cannot get there, so a community sometimes cannot be blamed for that. So the villagers of N.Eastern and Ukambani also love to live but what prevents them from getting these basic amenities is lack of support...i believe they would provide cheap labor. Have you ever imagined if there was a 2nd KMC in Turkana what that would do to that community? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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essyk		#26 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:23:14 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518		josiah33 wrote: Can the community really afford to have boreholes sunk buy selling a few cows? ....And that water can be used for livestock farming too if that's what they can do best, after all agriculture is not just about planting crops. culture culture my friend. I watched a documentary about their culture and realised that unless they do away with primitive cultural beliefs,no amount of intervention will help. How for instance do u make them believe that owning many cows alone is not the only sign of wealth? How if cows are used for so many cultural functions? What about raiding neighbouring communities as proof one's manhood or masculinity? They keep accumulating cows for such. Golden cows they are. The best way to get rid of silly traditions is through education.Now that, is the goverment's work. The sooner they invest in building classes ,books,teachers etc the better it will be for the marginalised communities. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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gesowan		#27 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:13:49 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289		http://www.youtube.com/w...ature=player_detailpage got it finally
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josiah33		#28 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:38:45 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777		essyk wrote: josiah33 wrote: Can the community really afford to have boreholes sunk buy selling a few cows? ....And that water can be used for livestock farming too if that's what they can do best, after all agriculture is not just about planting crops. culture culture my friend. I watched a documentary about their culture and realised that unless they do away with primitive cultural beliefs,no amount of intervention will help. How for instance do u make them believe that owning many cows alone is not the only sign of wealth? How if cows are used for so many cultural functions? What about raiding neighbouring communities as proof one's manhood or masculinity? They keep accumulating cows for such. Golden cows they are. The best way to get rid of silly traditions is through education.Now that, is the goverment's work. The sooner they invest in building classes ,books,teachers etc the better it will be for the marginalised communities. Yeah! i do believe those fellows need some real attitude change too.
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jaggernaut		#29 Posted : Sunday, March 01, 2015 2:03:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389		<<<The water has been found to be useless...too salty for human/animal consumption, not even fit for irrigation, bure kabisa.>>>
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kysse		#30 Posted : Sunday, March 01, 2015 2:15:40 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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