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Samuel Kivuitu on NTV
Sure
#21 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 4:12:48 PM
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dossy7 wrote:
However as much as he is sick he should take the responsibility n apologise for announcing distorted results,we wish he lives long to see how democratic elections are done


This guy was only a part of the system which includes you and me. You don't expect our leaders to be clean when we, the voters, are as dirty as the next sewer system.

Am sure we are going to vote in the same fat cats have been presiding over our rotten government. Let us start with me and you.

If the reality has not started sinking in yet, look at the new AG, others are yet to be tested. It is a cartel of the elite all over again. Don't blame Kivuitu at all. He did what he was hired to do or what his consciouse guided him to do. Are we together on this?

Under similar circumstances, Kuvuitu would repeat the same over again.
Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
Sure
#22 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 4:44:45 PM
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@User

Did you ever read this...

Main findings
Kenya’s constitutional and legal framework relating to elections contains a number of
weaknesses and inconsistencies that weaken its effectiveness. This legislation needs
urgent and radical revision, including consolidation.
The electoral management process as a whole needs revision
During the preparation and conduct of the 2007 elections the ECK lacked the necessary
independence, capacity and functionality because of weaknesses in its organisational
structure, composition, and management systems.
The institutional legitimacy of the ECK and public confidence in the professional
credibility of its commissioners and staff have been gravely and arguably irreversibly
impaired. It lacks functional efficiency and is incapable of properly discharging its
mandate.

The conduct of the electoral process was hampered and the electoral environment was
polluted by the conduct of many public participants, especially political parties and the media. (Read PNU/ODM and KTN/The Standard)

There were serious defects in the voter register which impaired the integrity of the 2007
elections even before polling started:

• it excluded nearly one-third of eligible voters, with a bias against women and
young people

• it included the names of some 1.2 million dead people

Serious anomalies in the delimitation of constituencies impaired the legitimacy of the
electoral process even before polling started.

There was generalised abuse of polling, characterised by widespread bribery, votebuying,
intimidation and ballot-stuffing.

This was followed by grossly defective data collation, transmission and tallying, and
ultimately the electoral process failed for lack of adequate planning, staffselection/
training, public relations and dispute resolution.

The integrity of the process and the credibility of the results were so gravely impaired by
these manifold irregularities and defects that it is irrelevant whether or not there was
actual rigging at the national tally centre
. The results are irretrievably polluted.

Pg two of the summary.

http://www.dialoguekenya...UTIVE_SUMMARY_FINAL.pdf

Now, when those who shout on top of their elbows without doing a little bit of research, where have you gone now.

Get a copy of Kriegler Report before you come here for some useless argument.

Kivuitu deserved better than he got. He was a HERO. If he had bought the idea of delaying the swearing in of the President by a week, a revolution would have taken place and we would be worse off today than what happened as PEV. Let us shame the devil when we can for those who remain silent are abetting the devils will.

Any one thinking Kivuitu is my grandfather is mistaken. Am pursuing the truth, nothing but the truth.
Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
'user'
#23 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 4:54:59 PM
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Sure wrote:
@User


Now, when those who shout on top of their elbows without doing a little bit of research, where have you gone now.


Tuko tu , we have just decided not to argue with a clever person, lest people will not notice the difference and by the way I (talking on my behalf) do alot of research and thinking before posting anything here.Only that I cannot purport to know -it-all as some of us here pass off.

If you think Kivuitu is/was a hero , I think we just live in very different worlds .None of us is either right or wrong.we are just in different worlds with different definitions and standards of what heroism is so you don't have to work too hard to justify your point.
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
Jaina
#24 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 5:41:32 PM
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For a Moment, lets make some assumptions here.

1. Assuming you were the Chairman of ECK at the time, what could you have done differently under the circumstances in order to avoid whatever happened?.

2. Assuming Kivuitu announced Raila the winner, do you think there would have been violence?.

Let the truth prevail. Heaping all blame on Kivuitu for the violence is not at all justified. He did what he had to do.

nostoppingthis
#25 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 5:44:43 PM
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Jaina wrote:
For a Moment, lets make some assumptions here.

1. Assuming you were the Chairman of ECK at the time, what could you have done differently under the circumstances in order to avoid whatever happened?.

2. Assuming Kivuitu announced Raila the winner, do you think there would have been violence?.

Let the truth prevail. Heaping all blame on Kivuitu for the violence is not at all justified. He did what he had to do.




Having won 6/8 provinces with the other two candidates each sharing one of the remaining provinces, why would this happen?
McReggae
#26 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 5:52:46 PM
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'user' wrote:
Sure wrote:
@User


Now, when those who shout on top of their elbows without doing a little bit of research, where have you gone now.


Tuko tu , we have just decided not to argue with a clever person, lest people will not notice the difference and by the way I (talking on my behalf) do alot of research and thinking before posting anything here.Only that I cannot purport to know -it-all as some of us here pass off.

If you think Kivuitu is/was a hero , I think we just live in very different worlds .None of us is either right or wrong.we are just in different worlds with different definitions and standards of what heroism is so you don't have to work too hard to justify your point.



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..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#27 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 7:12:39 PM
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@nostop, there was going to be violence regardless who won. If you listened to street talk in Nairobi long before the polls you would know what I mean. Guys planning how they would loot and take over property belonging to Kikuyus. On 30th when Raila was leading it was already chaotic with Kikuyus being threatened in Eldoret. Some goons had seized property here in Nairobi. Kivuitu is right in 1 undebatable thing:there was no justification for the madness by ODM supporters.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
simonkabz
#28 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 7:13:20 PM
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mukiha wrote:
When emotions finally cool off and logic takes over, this man will be recognised for being the true hero of the 2008 election fiasco.

Quick recovery mzee....


Thank u Mukiha. Of course those who love being lied to will never agree. Ugua pole mzee.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#29 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 7:29:40 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Jaina wrote:
For a Moment, lets make some assumptions here.

1. Assuming you were the Chairman of ECK at the time, what could you have done differently under the circumstances in order to avoid whatever happened?.

2. Assuming Kivuitu announced Raila the winner, do you think there would have been violence?.

Let the truth prevail. Heaping all blame on Kivuitu for the violence is not at all justified. He did what he had to do.




Having won 6/8 provinces with the other two candidates each sharing one of the remaining provinces, why would this happen?


A fallacy. One of the cheap fat lies peddled to justify the chaos. This is where I miss njugunajohn. Dude had hard facts.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Kratos
#30 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 8:08:52 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Jaina wrote:
For a Moment, lets make some assumptions here.

1. Assuming you were the Chairman of ECK at the time, what could you have done differently under the circumstances in order to avoid whatever happened?.

2. Assuming Kivuitu announced Raila the winner, do you think there would have been violence?.

Let the truth prevail. Heaping all blame on Kivuitu for the violence is not at all justified. He did what he had to do.




Having won 6/8 provinces with the other two candidates each sharing one of the remaining provinces, why would this happen?


What hogwash you serve! At the time did the constitution say that the winner of 6/8 provinces was the president? The biggest problem with such kind of nonsense is that some of you actually believe it to be gospel truth? Kivuitu is bad in the eyes of guys who voted ODM ONLY because he did not announce their candidate the winner (which he never was). No amount of vote rigging claims by ODM will ever justify the blood that was shed in the name of haki yetu, as if they are the only ones with this haki! ABK!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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