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Embakasi Ranching-Ruai plots
shalishali
#21 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:42:55 AM
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madammary wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Where exactly is block 136 in ruai embakasi ranch.

i read in businessdaily sometimes back about a block 136 in ruai-embakasi ranch being Government land and i also wonder where exactly block 136 is.

I don't know where block 136 is but i do know that a new sanitary landfill(read dumpsite) is proposed by Nairobi city council in Ruai location. An Environmental impact assessment has been done and the report can be downloaded from NEMA website. The location, according to the report, is between Nrb river and Embakasi Ranching unfortunately no site plan or clear map is included.However,one of the major conclusions of the report is that land ownership issue must be resolved before project commences though land is deemed owned by NCC(200 acres).Therefore there could be an issue with Embakasi ranching, my thoughts.
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Wendz
#22 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:48:59 AM
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maina20 wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
They are not keen on issuing titles because once they issue them they have no control anymore. It would mean their manipulations and hold on the land would come to an end and that's what scares them.

Sad Sad Sad its a time bomb.....imagine they literally pocket transfer fees.. eti stamp duty. thats why they cant issue titles. otherwise GK will take the taxes. my worry is, with the new katiba and a new gava in future, things might turn like syokimau..... and u will be issued with a lease cert with millions of outstanding rates on top. or those guys can take loans with the original deed and auctioneers will come calling...Sad Sad Sad ..


You couldn't put it any better.... I was enticed to "good property investment opportunities" by a friend of mine but when i listened to the whole story, i developed cold feet instantly.... It could be genuine but i still do not mind missing out on the "opportunities".... This is one company that still leaves me wondering where people get the confidence to invest and re-invest in land the company is handling. You mention Embakasi Ranch and i will break my legs running away irrespective of how irresistible the deal may sound.
josiah33
#23 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:14:15 PM
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shalishali wrote:
madammary wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Where exactly is block 136 in ruai embakasi ranch.

i read in businessdaily sometimes back about a block 136 in ruai-embakasi ranch being Government land and i also wonder where exactly block 136 is.

I don't know where block 136 is but i do know that a new sanitary landfill(read dumpsite) is proposed by Nairobi city council in Ruai location. An Environmental impact assessment has been done and the report can be downloaded from NEMA website. The location, according to the report, is between Nrb river and Embakasi Ranching unfortunately no site plan or clear map is included.However,one of the major conclusions of the report is that land ownership issue must be resolved before project commences though land is deemed owned by NCC(200 acres).Therefore there could be an issue with Embakasi ranching, my thoughts.

does this imply that u believe block 136 could be this city council land?
shalishali
#24 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:36:51 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
shalishali wrote:
madammary wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
Where exactly is block 136 in ruai embakasi ranch.

i read in businessdaily sometimes back about a block 136 in ruai-embakasi ranch being Government land and i also wonder where exactly block 136 is.

I don't know where block 136 is but i do know that a new sanitary landfill(read dumpsite) is proposed by Nairobi city council in Ruai location. An Environmental impact assessment has been done and the report can be downloaded from NEMA website. The location, according to the report, is between Nrb river and Embakasi Ranching unfortunately no site plan or clear map is included.However,one of the major conclusions of the report is that land ownership issue must be resolved before project commences though land is deemed owned by NCC(200 acres).Therefore there could be an issue with Embakasi ranching, my thoughts.

does this imply that u believe block 136 could be this city council land?

@Josiah33, i really do not know where block 136 is ,so the proposed site could be far from this block, no map in the report to verify this.
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freiks
#25 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:25:04 PM
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I know some surveyor who managed to computerize all the nairobi and mombasa cadastral plans, am trying to see whether i can access that data and if i do i will be sure to give you guys the exact location of that block
And by the way he used the same data to allocate himself a bypass land but when gava came calling he lost handsomely. More than 50m worth of his investment went to the drains
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tassia
#26 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:40:32 PM
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I know someone with land on the said block 136. In fact, insiders say that block 136 is by far the largest piece of land owned by Embakasi Ranching. I was talking to someone and I understand it covers the area next to NCC Sewage works and all the way towards kilimambogo but starts about a kilometer from the main Ruai Junction as you go to the NCC sewage. But as you approach kamulu, it cuts the Kangundo Road and covers a potion of the upper side and from here both in the lower and upper sides, it borders Kamulu.

The issue was that the government acquired this land for Embakasi Ranching from Mkoloni (I do not know what this process was called) It is said that Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd was supposed to pay back the government but never paid. I would not be surprised and especially because Embakasi Ranching has been run by Politicians since 1976...or earlier (not sure about the year.)

Someone said that a few people have titles on the block but I am not sure.

As a student Accountant many years ago, I remember reading through audited reports of Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd. For many years, the Auditor issued a qualified report. If I can remember well, there were issues to do with some titles not presented to the auditor and also the issue of NCC rates.

I spoke to someone who was confident that even if that was the case, the investments were too huge for the government to chase away people. The syokimau issue should be an eye opener.
Mtublack
#27 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:49:56 PM
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freiks wrote:
I know some surveyor who managed to computerize all the nairobi and mombasa cadastral plans, am trying to see whether i can access that data and if i do i will be sure to give you guys the exact location of that block
And by the way he used the same data to allocate himself a bypass land but when gava came calling he lost handsomely. More than 50m worth of his investment went to the drains



and he is an MPig, phew

The 50 million investment was pocket change he was able to build confidence to potential buyers and hike the plot prices being upmarket area.


Some you win some you lose
josiah33
#28 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44:48 AM
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tassia wrote:
I know someone with land on the said block 136. In fact, insiders say that block 136 is by far the largest piece of land owned by Embakasi Ranching. I was talking to someone and I understand it covers the area next to NCC Sewage works and all the way towards kilimambogo but starts about a kilometer from the main Ruai Junction as you go to the NCC sewage. But as you approach kamulu, it cuts the Kangundo Road and covers a potion of the upper side and from here both in the lower and upper sides, it borders Kamulu.

The issue was that the government acquired this land for Embakasi Ranching from Mkoloni (I do not know what this process was called) It is said that Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd was supposed to pay back the government but never paid. I would not be surprised and especially because Embakasi Ranching has been run by Politicians since 1976...or earlier (not sure about the year.)

Someone said that a few people have titles on the block but I am not sure.

As a student Accountant many years ago, I remember reading through audited reports of Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd. For many years, the Auditor issued a qualified report. If I can remember well, there were issues to do with some titles not presented to the auditor and also the issue of NCC rates.

I spoke to someone who was confident that even if that was the case, the investments were too huge for the government to chase away people. The syokimau issue should be an eye opener.

does it cover all the lower area before the ruai junction?
josiah33
#29 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2011 7:46:52 AM
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tassia wrote:
I know someone with land on the said block 136. In fact, insiders say that block 136 is by far the largest piece of land owned by Embakasi Ranching. I was talking to someone and I understand it covers the area next to NCC Sewage works and all the way towards kilimambogo but starts about a kilometer from the main Ruai Junction as you go to the NCC sewage. But as you approach kamulu, it cuts the Kangundo Road and covers a potion of the upper side and from here both in the lower and upper sides, it borders Kamulu.

The issue was that the government acquired this land for Embakasi Ranching from Mkoloni (I do not know what this process was called) It is said that Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd was supposed to pay back the government but never paid. I would not be surprised and especially because Embakasi Ranching has been run by Politicians since 1976...or earlier (not sure about the year.)

Someone said that a few people have titles on the block but I am not sure.

As a student Accountant many years ago, I remember reading through audited reports of Embakasi Ranching Company Ltd. For many years, the Auditor issued a qualified report. If I can remember well, there were issues to do with some titles not presented to the auditor and also the issue of NCC rates.

I spoke to someone who was confident that even if that was the case, the investments were too huge for the government to chase away people. The syokimau issue should be an eye opener.

does it cover all the lower area before the ruai junction?
josiah33
#30 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2011 8:06:34 AM
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If block 136 is really Government land then there's not much hope of people owning plots on the said block getting titles. Given that it's the largest parcel in embakasi ranch then majority of the plot owners will never get title deeds and there is the threat of a syokimau there too. How on earth would the ranching company go on and subdivide land they have not paid for and therefore do not possess a title for and why would the Government just watch as people put their money in the drain?
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