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Barbarity is barbarity whether it happens in Nairobi, Riyadh, London or New York. The person carrying it out and the way they try to explain it is irrelevant. However if a trend is realised by certain people, the world take notice. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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I'm a strong proponent of capital punishment. I also believe it should be carried out in a humane way. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..." the only way of making Islam look good is pointing at the Torah and saying "See, it started with your Bible!"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Bestiality: Exodus 22:19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Violating Sabbath: Exodus 31:14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; 15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Incest: Leviticus 20:12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. Sodomy or gay-ism: Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..." the only way of making Islam look good is pointing at the Torah and saying "See, it started with your Bible!" @Lolest!, as @guru told you before, you Christians better start believing in the Torah otherwise you should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way you do the Quran! Otherwise leave arguing about these things. There is nothing you can quote here from the Quran that is not in your Bible... So we say endeleeni!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Bestiality: Exodus 22:19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Violating Sabbath: Exodus 31:14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; 15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Incest: Leviticus 20:12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. Sodomy or gay-ism: Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..." the only way of making Islam look good is pointing at the Torah and saying "See, it started with your Bible!" @Lolest!, as @guru told you before, you Christians better start believing in the Torah otherwise you should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way you do the Quran! Otherwise leave arguing about these things. There is nothing you can quote here from the Quran that is not in your Bible... So we say endeleeni!!  did you understand what @Lolest! said
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Bestiality: Exodus 22:19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Violating Sabbath: Exodus 31:14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; 15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Incest: Leviticus 20:12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. Sodomy or gay-ism: Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..." the only way of making Islam look good is pointing at the Torah and saying "See, it started with your Bible!" @Lolest!, as @guru told you before, you Christians better start believing in the Torah otherwise you should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way you do the Quran! Otherwise leave arguing about these things. There is nothing you can quote here from the Quran that is not in your Bible... So we say endeleeni!! did you understand what @Lolest! said @utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad ( peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Bestiality: Exodus 22:19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Violating Sabbath: Exodus 31:14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; 15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Incest: Leviticus 20:12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. Sodomy or gay-ism: Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..." the only way of making Islam look good is pointing at the Torah and saying "See, it started with your Bible!" @Lolest!, as @guru told you before, you Christians better start believing in the Torah otherwise you should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way you do the Quran! Otherwise leave arguing about these things. There is nothing you can quote here from the Quran that is not in your Bible... So we say endeleeni!! gosh, we've been there already. Muhammad was clearly deluded; imagining stuff and telling guys how he'd been talking with the devil Which other part do you follow in Torah except killing 'sinners'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? He could be beheaded like in that saudi video.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? atapigwa na radi!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? @mavegs, allow me to teach you, the same way I did to @ecstacy a while back... S.A.W = Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace and honour! A.S = Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace! P.B.U.H = Peace Be Upon Him So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet. We do not use those words on God, because God does not need anything, He's Self-sufficient, All-Knowing, Almighty. If you do that, you would be mocking God. So when we say Salah (pray) to Allah (Almighty God) for that person, it means: 1. Allah loves that person. 2. Allah praises that person. 3. Allah sends blessings, His Pleasure and Mercy on that person. So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet, to send prayers for that prophet. IMPORTANT: And "Allah" means Almighty God in Arabic, so don't be offended. Even Arabic speaking Christians use this name to refer to God.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? @mavegs, allow me to teach you, the same way I did to @ecstacy a while back... S.A.W = Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace and honour! A.S = Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace! P.B.U.H = Peace Be Upon Him So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet. We do not use those words on God, because God does not need anything, He's Self-sufficient, All-Knowing, Almighty. If you do that, you would be mocking God. So when we say Salah (pray) to Allah (Almighty God) for that person, it means: 1. Allah loves that person. 2. Allah praises that person. 3. Allah sends blessings, His Pleasure and Mercy on that person. So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet, to send prayers for that prophet. IMPORTANT: And "Allah" means Almighty God in Arabic, so don't be offended. Even Arabic speaking Christians use this name to refer to God. I know what they mean... I am more curious in knowing "why" you do it! is it said more to the "benefit" of the "sayer" or to the benefit of the "sayee". Where the Sayee is the prophet and the Sayer is you the muslim who is alive and kicking. Sorry for being utilitarian... but does the prophet really need your prayers? what would happen if no one "peaced" them up? what would happen to them? second point... I know in swahili they say "mwenyezi mungu suhlhana watallah" or something (the geeky insomniac in me used to find himself watching ukumbi wa kisilamu and also the 'maombi' before station fungas on KBC) is that a title or is it one of the "100-1" names of Allah? like Mashallah and all other *llah All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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I want to ingilia this debate but I think I will sit this one out. Wacha today I sit on the sidelines and watch. Pbuyg. Peace be upon you guys.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:I want to ingilia this debate but I think I will sit this one out. Wacha today I sit on the sidelines and watch. Pbuyg. Peace be upon you guys. pbuyt (peace be upon you too)... Maybe you can tell us what the leader of this universal FUNDAMENTALS, the New World Order, this atheism recommends instead of death sentence, I don't remember reading your post on that... And who will it be anyway? Will it be The Pope? GW Bush? Or who?. And how will he control what is right and what is wrong?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:I want to ingilia this debate but I think I will sit this one out. Wacha today I sit on the sidelines and watch. Pbuyg. Peace be upon you guys. pbuyt (peace be upon you too)... Maybe you can tell us what the leader of this universal FUNDAMENTALS, the New World Order, this atheism recommends instead of death sentence, I don't remember reading your post on that... And who will it be anyway? Will it be The Pope? GW Bush? Or who?. And how will he control what is right and what is wrong? the ALIVE should determine the fate of THE ALIVE! right and wrong are human concepts not universal constants! your guys are dead! what was right then may not be right now! some of the people/entities we refer to may perhaps be nonexistent! I would rather have a chokora make the decision of my life and death based on what he saw and his environment rather than writings of a really dead guy! if you were to walk into the age of these dead people we love following you will be shocked! it was not glamorous or even safe! it was a brutal world! and then we somehow think these people should have a say about whether a person now should live or die?? do you let your grand father or great grand father dictate to you your choices? if not - the dudes we are talking about pale to the exposure your grand father/great grand father has/had! Kudos to them for doing the best they could for their generation and their time on earth! but this is our time! We never interfered with their time... why should we let them interfere with ours? they had theirs! they are not stakeholders in this age! Life is for the living!! i would rather have george bush determine on his own (not with the influence of dead people) whether someone should live or die - 1000 times! than people who had no capacity to comprehend our lives... grow a pair and take on the responsibility of determining what is right for our society now! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:alphadoti wrote:
@utajulikana, since both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) accepted the laws of Moses then no one is going to hell for implementing the Torah.
I have always wondered... what would happen if you didn't "peace upon them"? @mavegs, allow me to teach you, the same way I did to @ecstacy a while back... S.A.W = Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace and honour! A.S = Alayhi Wasallam = God grant him peace! P.B.U.H = Peace Be Upon Him So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet. We do not use those words on God, because God does not need anything, He's Self-sufficient, All-Knowing, Almighty. If you do that, you would be mocking God. So when we say Salah (pray) to Allah (Almighty God) for that person, it means: 1. Allah loves that person. 2. Allah praises that person. 3. Allah sends blessings, His Pleasure and Mercy on that person. So we say these words when we mention the name of a prophet, to send prayers for that prophet. IMPORTANT: And "Allah" means Almighty God in Arabic, so don't be offended. Even Arabic speaking Christians use this name to refer to God. I know what they mean... I am more curious in knowing "why" you do it! is it said more to the "benefit" of the "sayer" or to the benefit of the "sayee". Where the Sayee is the prophet and the Sayer is you the muslim who is alive and kicking. Sorry for being utilitarian... but does the prophet really need your prayers? what would happen if no one "peaced" them up? what would happen to them? second point... I know in swahili they say "mwenyezi mungu suhlhana watallah" or something (the geeky insomniac in me used to find himself watching ukumbi wa kisilamu and also the 'maombi' before station fungas on KBC) is that a title or is it one of the "100-1" names of Allah? like Mashallah and all other *llah @masukums, thank you for clarifying the question. Why send prayers when we mention the name of a prophet (NOTE: any prophet)This only makes sense to those who are believers. This is not for the atheists like you and @ham. But you would understand if I use example of salute in military. Or extending your hand as a greeting to your friends... This is to recognize them and send a message that says you hope someone is well, happy, etc. Another example is if a close relative of ours passes away, such as a parent or a sibling, we see here in Wazua people asking God to grant the person Rest In Peace. And when when people hold prayers for the dead person, they ask God to forgive the person, to grant him/she security in grave, and to enter the person into Jannah (heaven). So this is spiritual significance. NOTE: This has nothing to do with subject matter: Death sentence scrapped. This is just answering the question.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Continue: When we mention the name of prophet...
We do this to ask God to give peace and mercy upon his prophets, and the righteous people...
"Why" do we do it? Is it said more to the "benefit" of the "sayer" or to the benefit of the "sayee". The benefits is for both. But since you are not a believer, I won't discuss the benefit to the "sayer".
Benefit to the "sayee"... Is to show of love for the prophets... For those who really love the prophets (all from Adam, Noah, Abrham, Moses, Daud, Jesus, Muhammad pbuh just to mention a few)... Those who really love and revered them send prayers for the prophets to show love. Not just pretenders who pretend to love the prophets...
BUT REMEMBER! That the prophets were only men who did not possess any power to harm or benefit us.
So we are not sending prayers for the "sayee" so that the "sayee" can benefit us the "sayers". No. The prophets were just human beings. They cannot benefit or harm us.
Qurans commands us to do this: "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O you that believe! Send your blessings on him, and salute him with all respect." (Quran 33:56)
Commentators of Quran have explained this verse that: To show the honorable and elevated status of the Prophet (pbuh) as well as to show the honor in the act of sending salams/salah on him.
I hope I have answered your question
NOTE: This has nothing to do with subject matter: Death sentence scrapped. This is just answering the quesiton asked by @masukuma.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Continue: When we mention the name of prophet... Other examples for dummiesCambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary & ThesaurusGreetings and farewells: hello, goodbye, etc
Greeting: something friendly or polite that you say or do when you meet or welcome someone
Saying hello: When we see someone we know, we usually exchange greetings...
Saying goodbye: When we leave people, we usually say something as we leave...The Importance of the GreetingEncountering a person one knows, it is normal to be pleased and display this reaction in a suitable way. Similarly, when one of us meets a revolutionary who has given his life to restore a Civilization, it is natural to express one’s joy, attention and consideration in a proportionate way by means of the greeting.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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so it's more 'cultural'! in the league of saying 'shikamoo' to your folks rather than 'sasa!' except that one of the parties is ... dead! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:so it's more 'cultural'! in the league of saying 'shikamoo' to your folks rather than 'sasa!' except that one of the parties is ... dead! The same way believers in life after death say RIP. the party is... dead!
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