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CENTUM FULL YEAR 2010/2011 RESULTS
QW25071985
#41 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:09:39 PM
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guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
There will be no other Carbacid and with the NSE down like this...Centum is in hot tasteless soup...LoL...thats why u see people.selling.

I also really wonder what will bring in the profits for these guys in 2011..
Certainly they wont match last years earnings unless they decide to revalue their assets which will also be a heavy dissappointment


thank goodness the market isnt made up of the two of you only..lol. otherwise this stock would have been trading at 2.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
youcan'tstopusnow
#42 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:39:19 PM
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There will be an IPO where they will make an exit
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guru267
#43 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:53:47 PM
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In the case where companies profits are heavily impacted by swings in the NSE like jubilee, centum, britak and the rest they should put in measures to smoothen out the profits in following years and prevent earnings volatility... After further reading I have found these measures are practiced by many insurance firms & investment companies..

Some measures include valuing quoted equities at historical cost and inflating expenses(for a bull market)

So far the only company I have observed doing this in kenya is jubileee(inflating expenses).. The management seem to have a great dislike for non cashflow income since it is not recurring so they basically write alot of it off the income statement by inflating expenses unlike centum and the rest who have clearly not adopted any of these measures.
This is reflected in 2009 during the GFC and a 50% loss on the NSE.. That year jubilee posted a 24% rise in profits whereas centum and the rest were in chaotic losses..


So If the NSE continues where its going centum may do badly in 2011 as compared to 2010 whereas jubilee will be pretty much unscathed.

Moral: think about a companies management when making investment decisions
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youcan'tstopusnow
#44 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:04:41 PM
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Hahahaha. Kwani Centum have put all their eggs in the NSE?
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guru267
#45 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:16:10 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Hahahaha. Kwani Centum have put all their eggs in the NSE?

Not any more but they currently still rely very heavily on the NSE since their recent new investments have not began to pay off in 2011
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dunkang
#46 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:10:40 PM
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I can only invest at ICDC on short term, never long term. Why? Because CENTUM is run by inexperienced, overly ambitious people. TOO MUCH AMBITIONS BREAKS A MAN-The Burdens!
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

guru267
#47 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:25:39 PM
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dunkang wrote:
I can only invest at ICDC on short term, never long term. Why? Because CENTUM is run by inexperienced, overly ambitious people. TOO MUCH AMBITIONS BREAKS A MAN-The Burdens!


Now here we disagree.. Im bearish short term and bullish long term..
When these guys get in fully into the multi year property boom that kenya is in then they will reap very big.. Hopefully the boom does not burst before this..

In 2011 they have to pull off a miracle straight from heaven to beat 2010 earnings..
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Deuteronomy 4:16
kawambui
#48 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:50:01 PM
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And what would one do with the bonus shares if one gets less than a hundred shares. i.e if for instance has 1400 shares and gets 140 bonus shares, what would one do with the 40....
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
guru267
#49 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:14:01 PM
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kawambui wrote:
And what would one do with the bonus shares if one gets less than a hundred shares. i.e if for instance has 1400 shares and gets 140 bonus shares, what would one do with the 40....


Just hold them until another split comes.. So far I have plenty of odd lot shares resulting from rights issues and share splits long after selling all my shares..

Plus those 40shares will entitle you entry to the AGM and access to other shareholder material
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Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#50 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:35:20 PM
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kawambui, the odd lots can also be sold, should you wish to do so
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youcan'tstopusnow
#51 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:44:23 PM
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QW25071985 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
There will be no other Carbacid and with the NSE down like this...Centum is in hot tasteless soup...LoL...thats why u see people.selling.

I also really wonder what will bring in the profits for these guys in 2011..
Certainly they wont match last years earnings unless they decide to revalue their assets which will also be a heavy dissappointment


thank goodness the market isnt made up of the two of you only..lol. otherwise this stock would have been trading at 2.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The amount of misinformation doing the rounds in Wazua is shocking, to say the least!!!

The Carbacid sale was not factored into the results. Carbacid was sold after year end!

Do some basic research first, people, to avoid egg on face.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
kawambui
#52 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:31:26 PM
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@ guru that would keep me tied to the stock forever, but if there's no other choice....
@ youcan'tstopusnow is it possible to sell the 40 in the market?
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
youcan'tstopusnow
#53 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:47:29 PM
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kawambui wrote:
@ guru that would keep me tied to the stock forever, but if there's no other choice....
@ youcan'tstopusnow is it possible to sell the 40 in the market?

I don't know about other brokers, but the CFC Activelite platform provides one with an avenue to sell odd lots.
If your current broker does not offer such services, you can consider transferring your shares to them. You don't need a bank account with them
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lovely2010
#54 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:38:52 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
kawambui wrote:
@ guru that would keep me tied to the stock forever, but if there's no other choice....
@ youcan'tstopusnow is it possible to sell the 40 in the market?

I don't know about other brokers, but the CFC Activelite platform provides one with an avenue to sell odd lots.
If your current broker does not offer such services, you can consider transferring your shares to them. You don't need a bank account with them


I believe all brokers have an option for odd lots...just tell them you want to sell the odd lots, I would gladly buy them...fanya 19 bob or less...!!!
guru267
#55 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:43:55 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:


The amount of misinformation doing the rounds in Wazua is shocking, to say the least!!!

The Carbacid sale was not factored into the results. Carbacid was sold after year end!

Do some basic research first, people, to avoid egg on face.


@youcant they sold half their carbacid holdings in 2010 and the other half in april 2011 just after the reporting date of march 31st.. The CEO by doing this tried to balance the proceeds from this disposal within the two years because they would seriously distort profits if calculated into one year ...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#56 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:56:41 PM
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"NIC Capital advised the exit which was concluded in 2 weeks. The exit was in May. Centum's stake was oversubscribed by 80%"

Go to the 56th minute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf4YqM-AIUo
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youcan'tstopusnow
#57 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:00:59 PM
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lovely2010 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
kawambui wrote:
@ guru that would keep me tied to the stock forever, but if there's no other choice....
@ youcan'tstopusnow is it possible to sell the 40 in the market?

I don't know about other brokers, but the CFC Activelite platform provides one with an avenue to sell odd lots.
If your current broker does not offer such services, you can consider transferring your shares to them. You don't need a bank account with them


I believe all brokers have an option for odd lots...just tell them you want to sell the odd lots, I would gladly buy them...fanya 19 bob or less...!!!


lovely = shrewdApplause
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
lovely2010
#58 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:31:12 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
lovely2010 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
kawambui wrote:
@ guru that would keep me tied to the stock forever, but if there's no other choice....
@ youcan'tstopusnow is it possible to sell the 40 in the market?

I don't know about other brokers, but the CFC Activelite platform provides one with an avenue to sell odd lots.
If your current broker does not offer such services, you can consider transferring your shares to them. You don't need a bank account with them


I believe all brokers have an option for odd lots...just tell them you want to sell the odd lots, I would gladly buy them...fanya 19 bob or less...!!!


lovely = shrewdApplause


Im doing her a big favour...
youcan'tstopusnow
#59 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:16:55 PM
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That's a 20% bargain. On Friday there was many trades at 21.50
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kawambui
#60 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:30:02 PM
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@lovely thanks but i'd rather hold, akiba haiozi
and BTW am a he
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
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