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CoopBank Q1 2011 - Brilliant results
Cde Monomotapa
#41 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:24:54 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@VVS..I have asked you before whether u r a Marxist coz @ times U introduce some very anti-capitalist thinking.

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly Hiyo ni kali. Ati VVS MarxistLaughing out loudly Tell you what, VVS is the biggest Capitalist I know of in Wazua.

I appreciate that but I have also observed that when he is somewhat cornered he turns marxist/socio-capitalist. "I shall fear no man but myself" smile
Muthawamunene
#42 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:44:53 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Equity is one bank which was highly inclined to gvt bonds.

Just finished looking at 2010 sheets for kcb, coop and ebk, coop had 4 billion g-paper for dealing purposes, ebk had 22 billion, kcb had 0.8 billion (If thats what they call 'held for trading investments), bottom line is, ebk may have pulled good numbers due to bonds in 2010, this year, they must be suffering from insomnia.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:16:42 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@VVS..I have asked you before whether u r a Marxist coz @ times U introduce some very anti-capitalist thinking.

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly Hiyo ni kali. Ati VVS MarxistLaughing out loudly Tell you what, VVS is the biggest Capitalist I know of in Wazua.

I appreciate that but I have also observed that when he is somewhat cornered he turns marxist/socio-capitalist. "I shall fear no man but myself" smile

Wacha ku-sully my name!
My point is that it is stupid [though politics is not logical] to control some prices [in a non-monopolitic environment] & not all...

OMCs rely heavily on financing imports due to the nature of the industry. It is credit driven to an extent. The cost of financing is NOT 'fixed' while the banks can vary the interest rates charged.

Some folks claim OMCs are a cartel yet the hold of the top 5 banks is much HIGHER! If not for the hurdles of financing & the inefficiency of KPC/KPA/KPRL there would be many more significant players in the oil industry...
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Cde Monomotapa
#44 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:25:15 PM
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Muthawamunene wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Equity is one bank which was highly inclined to gvt bonds.

Just finished looking at 2010 sheets for kcb, coop and ebk, coop had 4 billion g-paper for dealing purposes, ebk had 22 billion, kcb had 0.8 billion (If thats what they call 'held for trading investments), bottom line is, ebk may have pulled good numbers due to bonds in 2010, this year, they must be suffering from insomnia.

22B?! That's a lot. If it is indeed too bad for them then I see them reclassifying them as "held to maturity" the effects of that we will get to see soon. Cheers.
kyt
#45 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:48:30 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Matter of fact Qw...KCB will be triple digit.

chief! Thats a fantacy but its ok to dream.
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kyt
#46 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:58:59 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The 1st listed bank to pull the trigger has not disappointed.kenya is a great economy despite the politics,inflation and drought.
Or they are exploiting us... Funny, that when OMCs make a low ROA but prices of fuel go up... all are up in arms yet Kenya's largest OMC makes far less in 1 year than Barclays or Equity does in 1 quarter....

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly VVS, mafuta ni muhimu! I humbly suggest that people should stack their portfolios with banks. THIS IS THE DECADE OF THE BANKS!
I support free markets but if we are going for price controls then start with banks! Let the lending & savings rates be 'fixed' through a fair formula so banks will have to be more efficient on how they deliver services.


Banking is not an essential service therefore no grounds for price controls

I disagree. Banking predates petrol by many centuries! We would have more chaos if banking stopped vs no petrol [since we will find alternates to petroleum]


I disagree.. Especially in africa.. Millions of people live without bank accounts and banking does not affect food prices...
So high lending rates impacts a very small segment of the economy whereas fuel is a different story

guru, i actually dont support your argument. Banks are essential in everyday life. Even the unbanked use money dispensed thru banks. Those oil firms get loans from banks. All that interest is passed to the end user!
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VituVingiSana
#47 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:08:21 PM
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kyt wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The 1st listed bank to pull the trigger has not disappointed.kenya is a great economy despite the politics,inflation and drought.
Or they are exploiting us... Funny, that when OMCs make a low ROA but prices of fuel go up... all are up in arms yet Kenya's largest OMC makes far less in 1 year than Barclays or Equity does in 1 quarter....

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly VVS, mafuta ni muhimu! I humbly suggest that people should stack their portfolios with banks. THIS IS THE DECADE OF THE BANKS!
I support free markets but if we are going for price controls then start with banks! Let the lending & savings rates be 'fixed' through a fair formula so banks will have to be more efficient on how they deliver services.


Banking is not an essential service therefore no grounds for price controls

I disagree. Banking predates petrol by many centuries! We would have more chaos if banking stopped vs no petrol [since we will find alternates to petroleum]


I disagree.. Especially in africa.. Millions of people live without bank accounts and banking does not affect food prices...
So high lending rates impacts a very small segment of the economy whereas fuel is a different story

guru, i actually dont support your argument. Banks are essential in everyday life. Even the unbanked use money dispensed thru banks. Those oil firms get loans from banks. All that interest is passed to the end user!

Hold on! Banking has been around even among the unbanked! When I was a kid, my 'cash' was held in trust by my Grandfather. He was my bank even though I was 'unbanked' according to 'official' records!

As for PETROLEUM fuel. Kwani? How many used it in Kenya 100 years ago? Yet, I am sure the forefathers used granaries to store foddstuffs after a harvest. Or even 'lent' some to neighbours which is banking of a non-monetary type. If the jirani died, then it was written off like bad debts!
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:20:35 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow
#49 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:46:48 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Equity is one bank which was highly inclined to gvt bonds.

Just finished looking at 2010 sheets for kcb, coop and ebk, coop had 4 billion g-paper for dealing purposes, ebk had 22 billion, kcb had 0.8 billion (If thats what they call 'held for trading investments), bottom line is, ebk may have pulled good numbers due to bonds in 2010, this year, they must be suffering from insomnia.

22B?! That's a lot. If it is indeed too bad for them then I see them reclassifying them as "held to maturity" the effects of that we will get to see soon. Cheers.

Big trades going down at Equity. There is also a bid of 1.1 million shares at 27 which is yet to be serviced.
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erifloss
#50 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:58:51 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Anyone with the dates of when other banks will announce please post the dates.
erifloss uko wapi? These are ''very good'' results according to your criteria. I said a couple of banks will pull off above 50 percent growth. Co-op was the first. Not the last

I've looked at the Financials and i must say i'm impressed.
- They are sitting on a good positive cashflow.
- Increased their loan portfolio substantially.
- Reduced govt securities.
- Customer deposits are up.
- Interest income from loans & advances substantially up and interest from govt securities nearly same meaning that they are now concentrating on their core business commercial banking.
- Decrease in interest expense good with me as still shows that they are running their core business efficiently and their spread seems to be widening.
- Other fees & commissions up though I'm always weary of this item as some institutions shore up their income using this.
- Though they should be keen on their Staff costs & other operating expenses as they are to me substantially growing and the trend might not be good in the long run.
- What has made me smile is the big drop on Gross non performing loans.
- The rise in Insider loans is not so comforting as at times this creates a weakness.
- Strengthening their core capital.

All in all i think its a brilliant performance.
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guru267
#51 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:16:56 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
kyt wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The 1st listed bank to pull the trigger has not disappointed.kenya is a great economy despite the politics,inflation and drought.
Or they are exploiting us... Funny, that when OMCs make a low ROA but prices of fuel go up... all are up in arms yet Kenya's largest OMC makes far less in 1 year than Barclays or Equity does in 1 quarter....

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly VVS, mafuta ni muhimu! I humbly suggest that people should stack their portfolios with banks. THIS IS THE DECADE OF THE BANKS!
I support free markets but if we are going for price controls then start with banks! Let the lending & savings rates be 'fixed' through a fair formula so banks will have to be more efficient on how they deliver services.


Banking is not an essential service therefore no grounds for price controls

I disagree. Banking predates petrol by many centuries! We would have more chaos if banking stopped vs no petrol [since we will find alternates to petroleum]


I disagree.. Especially in africa.. Millions of people live without bank accounts and banking does not affect food prices...
So high lending rates impacts a very small segment of the economy whereas fuel is a different story

guru, i actually dont support your argument. Banks are essential in everyday life. Even the unbanked use money dispensed thru banks. Those oil firms get loans from banks. All that interest is passed to the end user!

Hold on! Banking has been around even among the unbanked! When I was a kid, my 'cash' was held in trust by my Grandfather. He was my bank even though I was 'unbanked' according to 'official' records!

As for PETROLEUM fuel. Kwani? How many used it in Kenya 100 years ago? Yet, I am sure the forefathers used granaries to store foddstuffs after a harvest. Or even 'lent' some to neighbours which is banking of a non-monetary type. If the jirani died, then it was written off like bad debts!

@vvs please look at it from a third world point of view...
The major reason most the african banks were unscathed from the financial crisis was good policy but also the irrelevance in many african economies... The whole thing came and past without a whisper in africa..

But have you seen the impact of rising fuel prices.. Protests everywhere...

Is their any country that devotes a large weighting to lending rates when calculating CPI...
How much consideration to companies give to borrowing rates as opposed to fuel costs???
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youcan'tstopusnow
#52 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:20:39 PM
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Will banks really be able to maintain their brilliant performance all the way to Q4 2011?
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guru267
#53 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:26:16 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Will banks really be able to maintain their brilliant performance all the way to Q4 2011?

Why wouldnt they?? They are managing these profits amidst a very slow q1..

I highly doubt the rest of the quarters will b worse than q1
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Impunity
#54 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:31:35 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Will banks really be able to maintain their brilliant performance all the way to Q4 2011?


When is KCB expected to ROAR her Q1?
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#55 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:34:29 PM
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Impunity wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Will banks really be able to maintain their brilliant performance all the way to Q4 2011?


When is KCB expected to ROAR her Q1?

I expect them on friday or latest next week..
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#56 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:39:49 PM
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CO-OP, GOTCHA !

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Keep them coming
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#57 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:40:00 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
kyt wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The 1st listed bank to pull the trigger has not disappointed.kenya is a great economy despite the politics,inflation and drought.
Or they are exploiting us... Funny, that when OMCs make a low ROA but prices of fuel go up... all are up in arms yet Kenya's largest OMC makes far less in 1 year than Barclays or Equity does in 1 quarter....

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly VVS, mafuta ni muhimu! I humbly suggest that people should stack their portfolios with banks. THIS IS THE DECADE OF THE BANKS!
I support free markets but if we are going for price controls then start with banks! Let the lending & savings rates be 'fixed' through a fair formula so banks will have to be more efficient on how they deliver services.


Banking is not an essential service therefore no grounds for price controls

I disagree. Banking predates petrol by many centuries! We would have more chaos if banking stopped vs no petrol [since we will find alternates to petroleum]


I disagree.. Especially in africa.. Millions of people live without bank accounts and banking does not affect food prices...
So high lending rates impacts a very small segment of the economy whereas fuel is a different story

guru, i actually dont support your argument. Banks are essential in everyday life. Even the unbanked use money dispensed thru banks. Those oil firms get loans from banks. All that interest is passed to the end user!

Hold on! Banking has been around even among the unbanked! When I was a kid, my 'cash' was held in trust by my Grandfather. He was my bank even though I was 'unbanked' according to 'official' records!

As for PETROLEUM fuel. Kwani? How many used it in Kenya 100 years ago? Yet, I am sure the forefathers used granaries to store foddstuffs after a harvest. Or even 'lent' some to neighbours which is banking of a non-monetary type. If the jirani died, then it was written off like bad debts!

@vvs please look at it from a third world point of view...
The major reason most the african banks were unscathed from the financial crisis was good policy but also the irrelevance in many african economies... The whole thing came and past without a whisper in africa..

But have you seen the impact of rising fuel prices.. Protests everywhere...

Is their any country that devotes a large weighting to lending rates when calculating CPI...
How much consideration to companies give to borrowing rates as opposed to fuel costs???

LOL... Let's start with the flawed misconceptions!

1) Not all African banks escaped unscathed. You are using a broad brush & some were lucky not always coz of 'good' policies but the (lucky) 'simple' models in use. BTW, the Nigerian banks which were HUGE compared to Kenyan banks were affected. Severely affected. Some went under & are being bailed out by Govt of Nigeria through AMCON.

2) Banks are very relevant in African economies. I can't think of any major African economy where banks are not relevant. Please illustrate with examples of a major (free) economy without banks. In the '3rd world' or 'African' perspective, banking is more than 'Banks' but includes your village moneylender, MFI, even Safaricom charges a fee for Kopa Credit!

3) CPI calculations probably do not include interest since it cannot be measured accurately in a basket of goods. Nevertheless, interest forms a part of the basket through OTHER goods. Your mama mboga who borrows from Equity to buy veggies weekly. Your matatu owner who borrows to buy the van. Your tea/coffee farmer who borrows (or on credit) to buy fertilizer. Your hairstylist who borrows to buy chairs, etc.

4) You are kidding me! "How much consideration to companies give to borrowing rates as opposed to fuel costs???" [I think QW has stolen you ID]

- Firms that 'borrow' are very sensitive to interest rates. If your firm's CFO does not 'consider' the interest rates then I would sell out asap! Let's take KQ, they negotiate interest rates then try to fix them. Why? It is an IMPORTANT & HUGE part of their costs. They also try to 'fix' fuel costs by hedging.

- Compare apples to apples! Many firms would be 20% of the size without borrowing since they finance buildings, equipment, inventory. Fuel costs are almost the same for all businesses in that sector. Interest costs are not so for a leveraged firm a CFO/CEO who does not pay as much consideration to interest costs should be sacked!

As for why protests over fuel & not interest rates? This is merely a matter of perception. What you see vs what you don't see. Consumers are often idiots or are not shown the whole picture.

In Kenya, it is ILLEGAL for retailers to display goods ex-VAT. Why? GoK does NOT want you to know you pay 100 + 16% VAT but want you to pay 116/-. They don't want you grumbling about 16% VAT.
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Cde Monomotapa
#58 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:40:52 PM
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LOAR!!! The journey to another house & more..here we come!!
youcan'tstopusnow
#59 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:48:56 PM
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guru267 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Will banks really be able to maintain their brilliant performance all the way to Q4 2011?

Why wouldnt they?? They are managing these profits amidst a very slow q1..

I highly doubt the rest of the quarters will b worse than q1

guru, Q1 was anything but slow. Ask CBK. As for Q2, we will have to wait...
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youcan'tstopusnow
#60 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:53:18 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:


4) You are kidding me! "How much consideration to companies give to borrowing rates as opposed to fuel costs???" [I think QW has stolen your ID]


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