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Guards kills a student at PSYS
McReggae
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:36:58 PM
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selah wrote:
McReggae wrote:

...why the bid delay is letting the boy seek medical attention, this is both a case of negligence and responding to a mosquito bite with a hammer on the part of the guards!!!!!


...they were asking for 2,000/= to cater for damages incurred b4 they could let them take the injured Guy to hospital.

Thats quite inhuman...I learnt a long time ago not to reason with these guys they nearly killed my cousin after they mistook us for thieves...we tried explaining ourself but in vain they Got hold of him and started beating him senseless it was just by Gods grace he escaped.


Selah, I hear loud and clear....most fellows ruch to dismiss the university students mara this mara that until one day a close one of theirs is on the receiving end!!!!!
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For Sport
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:30:47 PM
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selah wrote:
I think both in this case the diseased and the guards are to blame.These guys(university students) were restricted from entering Unga building since it was past'their bed time' in that the Club was supposed to be closed by that time instead of the student turning back they tried to outsmart the guards.Then they used unorthodox means to gain access to the building.I think this is a case of manslaughter where an enthusiastic Guard used excessive force to detain a trespassing 'suspect' resulting in untimely death.


deceased - God knows I make several of these everyday...

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petro08
#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:31:57 PM
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I sympathies with the family.

But young guys and everyone must learn to respect authority. When you get a closed door at a prominent building like Unga house at 3.am and decide to use an open window, you are bound to be mistaken for a thief. Now, I do not mean that a thief should be killed but as many have said here, these guards are not good at reasoning and not everyone is.

If by any chance you hit one of the guards as they claim, you will have gone too far into the territory of people who are not good at reasoning. But reasoning they will, according to their measure. And they will hit you so hard.

Please guys, if someone who is in charge of some property tells you off, do not try to force your self or argue. If you do that, he will feel the same way you would feel if a stranger entered your house at 3.am. And by the way, you would be putting his job and his livelihood on the line and he will use all his strength to protect it. And in the course of protecting it, you could die. Yes he might come to his senses, but that will be late, after you are dead.
Elder
#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:35:52 PM
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selah wrote:
I think both in this case the diseased and the guards are to blame.These guys(university students) were restricted from entering Unga building since it was past'their bed time' in that the Club was supposed to be closed by that time instead of the student turning back they tried to outsmart the guards.Then they used unorthodox means to gain access to the building.I think this is a case of manslaughter where an enthusiastic Guard used excessive force to detain a trespassing 'suspect' resulting in untimely death.


You would blame the victim here but you have to put it into perspective. The boy was a second year university student so he was probably about 21 years. At that age kids do some stuff which are blamable yes but also understandable. Trying to sneak into a club is not that of a stretch for a young university student. More so in a group and most likely already drank. I would fancy that most of us older than early twenties did some stuff we now find stupid at that age and most likely in college. In any event the 'punishment' did not befit the crime.

The guards on the other hand may have initially thought it was a thief and decided to mete out some of our infamous Kenyan justice. In fact after our APs the private guards are the next group of people I would rather not get into any unnecessary altercation with.

The circumstances of this case does not however bring out the guards in good light. Once they discovered that this was not a thief why did they not stop the beating? I am assuming they did it before the boy blacked out and if not then once the boys friends had come into the picture why did they not allow for the boy to get medical attention?

I cannot imagine the hell and pain the parents of the boys are now in.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#25 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:45:03 PM
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The Guards should face Manslaughter charges and the Security company should be charged with negligence.

This is not acceptable, how do you continue to detain someone who is prone unconcious on the floor and bleeding following a beating you just gave them, this should attract an even harsher charge.

"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
selah
#26 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:39:45 PM
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@for sport apologies for that 'massacre'anyway this is a case of a guard trying to stamp his authority the best way he knows how,which in this case went south.

'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
For Sport
#27 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:06:03 PM
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selah wrote:
@for sport apologies for that 'massacre'anyway this is a case of a guard trying to stamp his authority the best way he knows how,which in this case went south.



best way he knows how - i agree.
I wonder what form of training these guards undergo. Their response is usually wildly out of proportion. And the selection process. Is this for people who cant exercise independence of thought? The security industry standards should be looked at again.
selah
#28 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:17:15 PM
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For Sport wrote:
selah wrote:
@for sport apologies for that 'massacre'anyway this is a case of a guard trying to stamp his authority the best way he knows how,which in this case went south.



best way he knows how - i agree.
I wonder what form of training these guards undergo. Their response is usually wildly out of proportion. And the selection process. Is this for people who cant exercise independence of thought? The security industry standards should be looked at again.


what service do you expect from a guy who if he is lucky and get employed in a big company gets 7k a month.and the only time they get mentioned in the media is when they are killed or when they lie they aced their KCSE exams.

'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
bwenyenye
#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:40:08 PM
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Very sad story indeed.I expect a 21 year old, should respect authority and know when to step back! It is very unfortunate it ended up this way.
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carygoh
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:53:46 PM
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selah wrote:
For Sport wrote:
selah wrote:
@for sport apologies for that 'massacre'anyway this is a case of a guard trying to stamp his authority the best way he knows how,which in this case went south.



best way he knows how - i agree.
I wonder what form of training these guards undergo. Their response is usually wildly out of proportion. And the selection process. Is this for people who cant exercise independence of thought? The security industry standards should be looked at again.


what service do you expect from a guy who if he is lucky and get employed in a big company gets 7k a month.and the only time they get mentioned in the media is when they are killed or when they lie they aced their KCSE exams.


i dont think its fair to drag the whole security industry to this whole mess........i know several firms have left a lot to be desire of late but some security firms go all the way in terms of training and also pay..but many people prefer going for services in firms with cheaper rates who are sometimes not registered even with KSIA........just ask urself why places like UN cannot contract those small firms with funny funny names.


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