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Tommy
#21 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 5:44:09 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Tommy wrote:
W.H.O has been advocating for men to be cut since its hygienic and it reduces the rate of venereal infections. @User it is very African to feel proud when cut. In particular communities, the cut is done at particular age to symbolize the transition from childhood to adulthood. A lot changes after the cut and one is regarded as an adult and can be consulted.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Could this be the reason why RAO was not consulted during the recent judiciary appointments?
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly maybe. @impunity chunga demotion tena.
Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
Tommy
#22 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 5:47:52 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Tommy wrote:
W.H.O has been advocating for men to be cut since its hygienic and it reduces the rate of venereal infections. @User it is very African to feel proud when cut. In particular communities, the cut is done at particular age to symbolize the transition from childhood to adulthood. A lot changes after the cut and one is regarded as an adult and can be consulted.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Could this be the reason why RAO was not consulted during the recent judiciary appointments?
Applause Applause Applause

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly the last time i heard, rumour had it that prior to 2002 elections he qualified for consultation.
Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
kadonye
#23 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 6:41:41 PM
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Impunity wrote:
'user' wrote:


Infact I think mutilating the small head has a direct negative impact on the bigger one.




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@impunity, wacha kutuenjoy! Wewe na @ user ni mtu mmoja!
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
kadonye
#24 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 7:40:48 PM
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Jewish circumcision is in honoring the covenant between God and Abraham. The African rite assumes once you shed off the skin you are mature and a better thinker. I dont think this is true. Growing up is independent of the state of the physical features down there...
kenmac wrote:
it is religious too you know?
even Jesus did it.

What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Magigi
#25 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 10:19:21 PM
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'user' wrote:
Infact I think mutilating the small head has a direct negative impact on the bigger one.



...Recent utterances by some politicians from UK show the reverse...
Paul Kukubo
#26 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14:57 AM
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'user' wrote:
According to WHO ,only 30% of world men are circumcised .i.e. perform (MGM)men genital mutilation.

Only in Kenya are such people seen as boys (kihii) yet even most of the mzungus and Mhindis you see handing financial aid are actually uncircumcised.Yes , the ones we go to with our begging bowls , most of them are not circumcised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

Infact I think mutilating the small head has a direct negative impact on the bigger one.

The point here is we should respect one another whether circumcised or not.


User, what you are saying is very true. A kihii is a boy who has not gone through an adulthood ritual (Not just cutting of foreskin). Once you go through such aritual, you behave like an adult. The impact the ritual has on you is what matters, not jsut the removal of a piece of dirty skin. A Jaluo on the other hadn has discarded his childish to adulthood rituals such as removal of teeth which came with teachings etc. The boys in Luo land grow up like maize stalk, tehy never know when they become mature for adulthood, they have no mentors. Wha t you would call mentors are cartoons who have been installed as elders without a ritual process. you are given an artire which you wear on that day but you don't evern keep it. With asians, red indians etc, they have there rituals which they perform, some even more severe than removal of foreskin. Stop thinking like a jaluo.
Sigiriri
#27 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:26:40 AM
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Hii maneno ya kukatwa - it's in the mind. The cut down there is just evidence - a ritual. But true maturity iko kwa ubongo. We all know certain MPigs who we can assume are cut based on their origins, but they act like they were born juzi. This UK, WR, KM

If you want to do the jewish one, katwa on ur 7th day from birth. Many of us do it as a right of passage - hence the graduation from one stage to another. Those who dont cut are supposed to extract some teeth or some other thing. Many of these nowadays dont cut, dont remove teeth, so they are seen as remaining in the one stage of boyhood which is termed as kihii in one local tongue. This term is sort of derogatory, but it is the only term for anyone who has not passed from that stage onto the next - in our african context. Since wamewacha mila, tuwaite basi watumwa!
Wendz
#28 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:58:11 AM
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kadonye wrote:
Jewish circumcision is in honoring the covenant between God and Abraham. The African rite assumes once you shed off the skin you are mature and a better thinker. I dont think this is true. Growing up is independent of the state of the physical features down there...
kenmac wrote:
it is religious too you know?
even Jesus did it.



History told us what these rites of passage meant/signified to the people who practiced them..... Things have now changed especially with the legal systems etc.... In absence of the modern legal system, these rights were very important because they indicated who could do what and when.... who had what responsibilities etc. They were important in their own right at the time.

Dont ask me about their significance today when we have our boys circumcised before they leave the hospital after birth.
wanjirus
#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:36:11 AM
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Paul Kukubo wrote:

User, what you are saying is very true. A kihii is a boy who has not gone through an adulthood ritual (Not just cutting of foreskin).


From the teachings given to the ones who pass through the ritual from where I come from, the cut was just a mark but the actual circumcision happens in the mind and morals.

I was forced to recite statements on these for three weeks after the cut with my index finger in between two bottle tops to be pressed in case i fumbled with the 'gospel'.
Burning Spear
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:58:26 AM
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Sigiriri wrote:
Hii maneno ya kukatwa - it's in the mind. The cut down there is just evidence - a ritual. But true maturity iko kwa ubongo. We all know certain MPigs who we can assume are cut based on their origins, but they act like they were born juzi. This UK, WR, KM


Hii ni hate speech !!
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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