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Ceinz
#41 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:12:46 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Parkinson's Second Law which states "Expenditure rises to meet income".


Is it therefore right to say that the rich are those who can manage to make more income than their expenditure?
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For Sport
#42 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:01:39 PM
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Ceinz wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Parkinson's Second Law which states "Expenditure rises to meet income".


Is it therefore right to say that the rich are those who can manage to make more income than their expenditure?


Put the other way...those with fewer needs
Ceinz
#43 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:34:38 PM
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For Sport wrote:

Put the other way...those with fewer needs


Just to quote somebody 'pple who live within their means suffer from lack of imagination'. I agree with this statement. Surely for Sport these cannot be reffered to as the rich.
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#44 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:21:58 PM
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#45 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:20:32 AM
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the deal wrote:
Cherish your spouse and Family not Money.


'Money isn't everything but it sure keeps u in touch with ur children' J. Paul Getty
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For Sport
#46 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:16:48 AM
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Ceinz wrote:
For Sport wrote:

Put the other way...those with fewer needs


Just to quote somebody 'pple who live within their means suffer from lack of imagination'. I agree with this statement. Surely for Sport these cannot be reffered to as the rich.


Given the same level of income, the chap that lives above his means comes in last in the race to "get rich".
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#47 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:45:11 PM
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MaichBlack
#48 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:11:03 PM
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Ceinz wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Parkinson's Second Law which states "Expenditure rises to meet income".


Is it therefore right to say that the rich are those who can manage to make more income than their expenditure?

@Ceinz - NO! That is not even possible. You get rich by controlling costs! That is why even the rich, nay, the wealthy go bankrupt!

No matter who you are, there is always something new to buy; A bigger house, holiday homes, yatch, chopper, private jet, Island etc. If u don't control that, you'll end up broke! How did the biggest selling musician - Michael Jackson - die broke? More expenses than income! You can Google this.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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#49 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:44:15 PM
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For Sport
#50 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:54:23 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Ceinz wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Parkinson's Second Law which states "Expenditure rises to meet income".


Is it therefore right to say that the rich are those who can manage to make more income than their expenditure?

@Ceinz - NO! That is not even possible. You get rich by controlling costs! That is why even the rich, nay, the wealthy go bankrupt!

No matter who you are, there is always something new to buy; A bigger house, holiday homes, yatch, chopper, private jet, Island etc. If u don't control that, you'll end up broke! How did the biggest selling musician - Michael Jackson - die broke? More expenses than income! You can Google this.


@ Maich. Well put.

@ Ceinz. You have to retain your earnings. Its not about what comes in (how much you make); It’s about how much of it you retain.
You must spend less than you make. It also takes a lot of imagination (and work) to live within your means.
Aguytrying
#51 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:19:48 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
@Aguytrying, what I'm getting from your opening post is that you want to earn an upper class income via low-risk investments. My train of thought is that you have to first get rich through high risk jobs/investments/business, then keep your money safe in low-risk, passive investments like rentals. So my question to you is... have you already got rich through a high risk job/investment/business?

no i haven't got rich, i think i stated upper middle class level of passive income. And im up for high risk, like i trade in stocks for example.
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#52 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:39:15 PM
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It is imperative for your expenditures to be lower than your income to become rich. And for you to save and invest the balance. Otherwise, even if you earn alot, you'll never become rich.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Ceinz
#53 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:33:55 PM
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Well put guys, nothing could be more true. For instance, the simple lifestyle of Warren Buffet best illustrates this.

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3. He still lives in the same small 3-bedroom house in mid-town Omaha, that he bought after he got married 50 years ago. He says that he has everything he needs in that house. His house does not have a wall or a fence.

4. He drives his own car everywhere and does not have a driver or security people around him.

5. He never travels by private jet, although he owns the world's largest private jet company.

His advice to young people: "Stay away from credit cards and invest in yourself and
Remember:

A. Money doesn't create man but it is the man who created money.

B. Live your life as simple as you are.

D. Don't go on brand name; just wear those things in which u feel comfortable.

E. Don't waste your money on unnecessary things; just spend on them who really in need rather.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#54 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:32:40 PM
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Buffett has a private jet called The Indefensible
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#55 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:50:17 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
KenyanLyrics wrote:
@Aguytrying, what I'm getting from your opening post is that you want to earn an upper class income via low-risk investments. My train of thought is that you have to first get rich through high risk jobs/investments/business, then keep your money safe in low-risk, passive investments like rentals. So my question to you is... have you already got rich through a high risk job/investment/business?

no i haven't got rich, i think i stated upper middle class level of passive income. And im up for high risk, like i trade in stocks for example.


The thing about accumulating wealth is that at some point it gets addictive. If for example Aguytrying made millions off the stock market, the chances are high that you will play the market till the day you die and that would be your main source of cash.
This sources of passive income tend to be ways of diversifying and reducing risk. Afterall once you retire, you have to figure out what to do with your life. In most cases, this tends to be something productive along the lines of your 'high risk' jobs for as long as you have great health. Retirement tends to exist only within regulated industries and in the govt. If for example at 80 you are still mentally healthy, what will stop you from picking stocks or selling drugs in your pharmacy ?
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#56 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:19:07 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Buffett has a private jet called The Indefensible
Later the Indefensible II [but that's why he calls it that... plus he can afford a Boeing 747 & A380 but he doesn't... unlike those corrupt middle eastern sheikhs]

Don't know if he still has it after he bought NetJets...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#57 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:28:33 AM
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How are the sheikhs corrupt?
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VituVingiSana
#58 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:35:50 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
How are the sheikhs corrupt?
No better than kenyatta or moi... They are [at best] custodians for the people e.g. saudi king & princes. They skim off the oil proceeds to fund their lavish lifestyles.

Some are more progressive than others [Dubai & Bahrain] but most are little better than dictators. How many democracies or even benign monarchies are there in the arab world?

As an example, google bolkiah of brunei & his brother. The brother spent money like its water...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#59 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:48:52 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
How are the sheikhs corrupt?
No better than kenyatta or moi... They are [at best] custodians for the people e.g. saudi king & prices. They skim off the oil proceeds to fund their lavish lifestyles.

Some are more progressive than others [Dubai & Bahrain] but most are little better than dictators. How many democracies or even benign monarchies are there in the arab world?

As an example, google bolkiah of brunei & his brother. The brother spent money like its water...

I hear you now. Almost every prince has his own palace (huge) complete with dozens of servants (some of these are the Kenyans who strive to go there to be fed dog food and thrown from balconies)
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VituVingiSana
#60 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:55:19 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
How are the sheikhs corrupt?
No better than kenyatta or moi... They are [at best] custodians for the people e.g. saudi king & prices. They skim off the oil proceeds to fund their lavish lifestyles.

Some are more progressive than others [Dubai & Bahrain] but most are little better than dictators. How many democracies or even benign monarchies are there in the arab world?

As an example, google bolkiah of brunei & his brother. The brother spent money like its water...

I hear you now. Almost every prince has his own palace (huge) complete with dozens of servants (some of these are the Kenyans who strive to go there to be fed dog food and thrown from balconies)
Did you google jefri bolkiah? Some of that stuff is crazy! That's why I respect Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Michael Dell & Steve Jobs who built their empires on selling or investing... Say what you will about Microsoft or Apple or Dell... no-one forces you to buy their stuff...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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