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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
muandiwambeu
#2971 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:51:32 AM
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obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#2972 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:20:20 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
VituVingiSana
#2973 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:45:42 PM
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obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??

Sale of assets can generate cash that can be used to reduce liabilities. Unless the assets are worth more than the Book Value [not necessarily the case as seen with the 777s] the hole [aka Negative Equity] remains unfilled.

I'll use KK as an example. It lost 6bn in 2012 which almost wiped out the equity as stated BUT the (real estate) assets were at HISTORICAL value & the sale of some of these helped shore up the 'Equity' [for accounting purposes].

If I had my way, I would sell off many of the KK stations [or do Sale-Leasebacks] to generate cash to pay down debt to zero.

Compare this to KQ. The Embakasi land will be sold but I think it has been revalued to the current realizable value. The planes are probably worth less than their book values. The 777s were written down further in 2015-16 when KQ realized they could get the Book Value for them.

@Obiero - I am past making fun of your choices. It was just in jest. I have been burnt by crooks like Matu, Naikuni and Mbugua. The decision to exit KQ at a loss was hard but necessary. Once I made the decision, I just did it. I called my broker and said... start selling.

TRUST - If you do not TRUST the management and board then forget it. I do not trust KQ's management.

Ownership - Not all firms with owner-managers will do well but it has been shown in Kenya that most (not all) of those controlled (or as directors) by owner-managers do well. Even Collymore has a significant number of shares in Safaricom. They are a large enough part of his portfolio to matter.

Some criticize James Mworia but he has a significant stake in Centum. And we know about James Mwangi.

Some are conmen eg Merali but he has always been a conman. Michael Matu is one too but I found out too late. Other conmen include Hector Diniz & the HAFR guys.

Back to KQ. The current set of managers can do little to save the firm in its current state. That's the truth.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2974 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 1:52:01 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??

Sale of assets can generate cash that can be used to reduce liabilities. Unless the assets are worth more than the Book Value [not necessarily the case as seen with the 777s] the hole [aka Negative Equity] remains unfilled.

I'll use KK as an example. It lost 6bn in 2012 which almost wiped out the equity as stated BUT the (real estate) assets were at HISTORICAL value & the sale of some of these helped shore up the 'Equity' [for accounting purposes].

If I had my way, I would sell off many of the KK stations [or do Sale-Leasebacks] to generate cash to pay down debt to zero.

Compare this to KQ. The Embakasi land will be sold but I think it has been revalued to the current realizable value. The planes are probably worth less than their book values. The 777s were written down further in 2015-16 when KQ realized they could get the Book Value for them.

@Obiero - I am past making fun of your choices. It was just in jest. I have been burnt by crooks like Matu, Naikuni and Mbugua. The decision to exit KQ at a loss was hard but necessary. Once I made the decision, I just did it. I called my broker and said... start selling.

TRUST - If you do not TRUST the management and board then forget it. I do not trust KQ's management.

Ownership - Not all firms with owner-managers will do well but it has been shown in Kenya that most (not all) of those controlled (or as directors) by owner-managers do well. Even Collymore has a significant number of shares in Safaricom. They are a large enough part of his portfolio to matter.

Some criticize James Mworia but he has a significant stake in Centum. And we know about James Mwangi.

Some are conmen eg Merali but he has always been a conman. Michael Matu is one too but I found out too late. Other conmen include Hector Diniz & the HAFR guys.

Back to KQ. The current set of managers can do little to save the firm in its current state. That's the truth.

TRUST - i happen to fully believe in the leadership at KQ and their ability to save the firm. Cash constraints being faced at the moment due to high short term obligations shall be addressed, once that happens we shall be all clear. What we are talking about is futuristic and may not make sense to some
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
obiero
#2975 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:29:04 AM
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Spikes
#2976 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:52:39 AM
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The deal of Amadeus ticketing is immaterial for now. KQ has long way to go more than 6year ticketing deal. You will be shocked to hear top management especially your best friend Alex received kickbacks before signing the deal! Shafting continues.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#2977 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:00:45 AM
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Spikes wrote:
The deal of Amadeus ticketing is immaterial for now. KQ has long way to go more than 6year ticketing deal.

That is true.. So, tupigie business daily wafute hio taarifa??
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
Spikes
#2978 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:07:06 AM
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Business Daily is very authoritative and let them keep updating us. We can't afford to be in the dark; information is power.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Cde Monomotapa
#2979 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:04:31 AM
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I would like to thank Presidents Sirleaf & Kiir for standing with KQ. Deeply honored and gives hope.

It must be made a right to 'fly to safety' within Africa and a choice West or East.

Our partnerships with international partners should complement Africa's aspirations of peace and prosperity.

Fellow Wazuans. I have company to list. Adios. Inshallah!
murchr
#2980 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 6:38:36 PM
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I thought the first initiative would have been to fire/train the current customer care reps because they are a big turn-off
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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