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Low End Housing: High Risk, High Return
obiero
#281 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2018 12:11:09 PM
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wukan wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:

Of course this is a no-brainer, I was in fact very tempted to go this route because
1. Returns are higher
2. Need for parking and other costly amenities is next to zero
3. Cost of building is cheaper because you can go for the cheapest of the cheap finishings and may not even need to plaster your machine cut walls
4. Economies of scale given low fixed costs compared to returns.
5. Extra income from running businesses at the ground floor

But the reasons why I rejected this route

1. Slummification of entire neighbourhoods (and cities) starts with these buildings. Look at Umoja. Note exactly a great place to raise kids and live a decent life. Some of those apartments are like modern day tombs! Kenyans deserve better. This is why I laud Uhuru's low cost housing agenda. Quality subsidised homes for all.
2. Headaches to the landlord galore. general security issues, Tenant to tenant crime may be rife, eviction problems, blocked drains due to tenants pouring all sorts of plastics and things into the drains, vandalism and constant repairs are no joke. It is as management intensive as it gets and my life is too short to spend all my hours managing all these problems.
3. Cap gains are much lower per annum for these types of structures. What you gain in cash flows you lose big time in cap gains compared to say a guy who buys a 1/4 acre in a leafy area and builds a huge maisonette on it.

Bottom line, I would take decent 2br and 3 br flats, as well as 4+ br maisonettes any day over 1br blocks of flats despite the cash flows. Kenyans, seriously ask yourselves, do we want the whole country to look like this (below). If we are not careful, bila planning, that is the direction we are headed in.



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High risk! High return! Investing in the low end housing space is not for everyone!

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wukan
#282 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2018 12:27:46 PM
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obiero wrote:
Photos will be shared here of besitters in New York and Beijing! Smaller living spaces are the trend going into the future. Execution of the project is what matters. Umoja failed because of lack of coordination by GoK which could easily happen to the Big Four housing agenda.. Look at Marish, Ungem, Ofafa, Baha..


It is really smaller shared space with shared amenities. There is a sophistication that is coming up with younger renters. You need to give them quality 21st century lifestyle. I have seen Qwetu doing well with the student hostels on jogoo road. You just can't do the old fashioned bed sitters.

Low end renters are just a nightmare. If you look at Marish, Ofafa, Baha etc. despite the low rents those neighborhoods have never turned out well. Instead they keep sinking into more decay
obiero
#283 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2018 12:38:39 PM
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wukan wrote:
obiero wrote:
Photos will be shared here of besitters in New York and Beijing! Smaller living spaces are the trend going into the future. Execution of the project is what matters. Umoja failed because of lack of coordination by GoK which could easily happen to the Big Four housing agenda.. Look at Marish, Ungem, Ofafa, Baha..


It is really smaller shared space with shared amenities. There is a sophistication that is coming up with younger renters. You need to give them quality 21st century lifestyle. I have seen Qwetu doing well with the student hostels on jogoo road. You just can't do the old fashioned bed sitters.

Low end renters are just a nightmare. If you look at Marish, Ofafa, Baha etc. despite the low rents those neighborhoods have never turned out well. Instead they keep sinking into more decay

Exactly! Smaller spaces and definitely highrise. Bungalows are going to the history books! Even Lavington is getting highrise buildings

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MugundaMan
#284 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2018 6:08:22 PM
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obiero wrote:


Ngong Road is littered with the studio highrise apartments. Tembea Kenya! http://www.suraya.co.ke/?property=the-lynx-royal

https://www.the-star.co....rent-in-ngong-road.html


ha ha ha ha ha! Please don't mention Suraya, my broda! There is a reason why the pictures hapo are off-plan renders and no actual apartments. 95% of Suraya projects have either never broken ground, are stalled or completely dead in the water.Those lynx things have not gone beyond foundation for well over 7 years! The other bedsitters are usually a small number of units in complexes of 2br, 3br or 4br apartments! Usually some squeezed attic or DSQ advertised as a bedsitter!

By the way do not get me wrong, I am not saying bedsitters are a bad idea. They are excellent in terms of cash flows for sure. As you say investing in them is not for everybody. I am one of those for whom it is not my cup of tea. Maisonettes, Bungalows and 2br+ flats in upcoming middle class or higher areas make more long term economic sense to me for way lesser headache.
obiero
#285 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:03:25 AM
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Employees to take a hard knock on the payslip. The government has come back for the funds to cater for its big four dream https://www.businessdail...766296-98nwoo/index.html

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Angelica _ann
#286 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:36:04 AM
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[quote=obiero]Employees to take a hard knock on the payslip. The government has come back for the funds to cater for its big four dream https://www.businessdail...66296-98nwoo/index.html[/quote]

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obiero
#287 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:42:33 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
Employees to take a hard knock on the payslip. The government has come back for the funds to cater for its big four dream https://www.businessdail...66296-98nwoo/index.html


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Shindwe.. This plan is saddening. Now they say that the cash stands to be refunded after 15 years incase one doesn't secure a house.. Liars https://www.businessdail...766040-7k7i5g/index.html

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obiero
#288 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:31:37 AM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
Employees to take a hard knock on the payslip. The government has come back for the funds to cater for its big four dream https://www.businessdail...66296-98nwoo/index.html


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Shindwe.. This plan is saddening. Now they say that the cash stands to be refunded after 15 years incase one doesn't secure a house.. Liars https://www.businessdail...66040-7k7i5g/index.html

Really waiting to see my county implementation plan.. There could be money to be made here https://www.businessdail...15100-5ju5fbz/index.html

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obiero
#289 Posted : Friday, November 09, 2018 7:27:58 AM
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Month two of additional rental income confirmed albeit low due to the rural setting. Those nasty rumors on bedsitters are untrue, demand does exist at the low end

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MugundaMan
#290 Posted : Friday, November 09, 2018 8:17:12 AM
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obiero wrote:
Month two of additional rental income confirmed albeit low due to the rural setting. Those nasty rumors on bedsitters are untrue, demand does exist at the low end


Nobody has ever disputed low end bedsitters (5k to 15k) are cash cows. The big joke is ati luxury bedsitters on Kirinyaga rd for 40-50k a month. No one in their right mind except perhaps backpacker kaburus would be interested in such.
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