@tycho quoting what?

@lonest I found where you're getting this issue. Here. So I'm going to use exactly the response the Mr. Bassam used to explain to the critic.

First, you've answered your own question in John 10: 22-23. Jesus (pbuh) told them, he was the Messiah, he showed them miracles, the Jews were learned people and they knew the old scripture, the prophesy is here Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20. Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39. Ezekiel 38:16. Hosea 3:4-3:5. Micah 4. Zephaniah 3:9. Zechariah 14:9, Daniel 10:14. But they were disobedient people. They knew it, but they denied him.

Secondly, I will tell you again, we Muslims believe that Jesus (pbuh) was the Messiah, translated "Christ". We believe that he was one of the mightiest messenger of God. We believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention, which many modern Christians today do not believe, including your Jews who we're debating about. We believe he gave life to the death with God's permission.We believe he healed those born blind, deaf and lepers with God's permission.

So whether you agree that the Jews believed or not, Muslims we are told they knew he was the messiah, and they knew whom they were trying to kill, after denying him.

Otherwise, if they didn't know, why would Jesus (pbuh) tell 'them' Satan is your father in John 8:44.
1. Who is 'them'?
2. Why did he tell 'them' you are like your father Satan?

See 'them' plotting in Luka 21. Who was 'them'?

Here is the response from the website:

@symbol, after reading my post #255 I want to show you other examples.

It is Colossians 1:14
In King James it says: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins"

The NIV completely removes the "blood of Jesus Christ", leaving out exactly what is it that saves people; Are they saved by their good works? By baptism? By church membership? You cannot be sure by the omission of that verse, because "blood of Jesus" has been left out.

Another remarkable difference is found in 2 Samuel 21:19
In King James, this verse says: "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Phillistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam"
In NIV, it says: "In another battle with the Phillistines at Gob, Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim, the Bethlehemite, killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod"

Did you notice the difference?
So who slew Goliath? Almost all Sunday school child will tell it was David! But NIV claims it was Elhanan, contradicting its own account of David killing Goliath.

Yes! This is a very significant changes have been made in these new Bibles and some of them are quite sinister!

@AlphDoti - You consider the Bible a mess composed of the word of God,history and pornography.You don't know even know what is from God but as long as it's convenient you don't mind showing us the Qur'an agrees with it and how well acquainted you are with that mess


At the very least you've shown me you are more than capable of insulting yourself and Islam

It just keeps getting better and better.Is this the Torah,Psalms or Injeel?

You're trying to defend yourself with the same thing you're attacking?