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Law Capping interest rates
Horton
#2871 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 5:53:53 PM
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Monk wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Horton wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Hon Sam Atandi @SamuelAtandi
Am now ready to support repeal of interest cap law with a singular amendment to exempt its application from the existing loans/facilities

You don't make demands from a position of weakness. They should have made the amendments much earlier when discussing the bill. The president/treasury/CBK has them by balls. Chances of them raising 2/3 majority are slim to none.

The amendment will only be done if the President wants it to be.

MPigs made the wrong move. Recovering from that move is tough!!



Is there a d-day to which this must be debated/passed?

I am guessing 14 days but I am not sure. They cannot sit on it!


Immediately after recess which happens to be the first week of November.


I thought the court gave them 12 months from date of ruling, ie March 2019?


Right so safe to assume worst case scenario March 2020?
MaichBlack
#2872 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:31:50 PM
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Monk wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Horton wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Hon Sam Atandi @SamuelAtandi
Am now ready to support repeal of interest cap law with a singular amendment to exempt its application from the existing loans/facilities

You don't make demands from a position of weakness. They should have made the amendments much earlier when discussing the bill. The president/treasury/CBK has them by balls. Chances of them raising 2/3 majority are slim to none.

The amendment will only be done if the President wants it to be.

MPigs made the wrong move. Recovering from that move is tough!!



Is there a d-day to which this must be debated/passed?

I am guessing 14 days but I am not sure. They cannot sit on it!


Immediately after recess which happens to be the first week of November.


I thought the court gave them 12 months from date of ruling, ie March 2019?

You are getting things mixed up. This has nothing to do with the courts. The government wants to repeal interest rate controls because it is bad for the economy. Period. Not because the court said so.
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Fyatu
#2873 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:34:19 PM
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Monk wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Horton wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Hon Sam Atandi @SamuelAtandi
Am now ready to support repeal of interest cap law with a singular amendment to exempt its application from the existing loans/facilities

You don't make demands from a position of weakness. They should have made the amendments much earlier when discussing the bill. The president/treasury/CBK has them by balls. Chances of them raising 2/3 majority are slim to none.

The amendment will only be done if the President wants it to be.

MPigs made the wrong move. Recovering from that move is tough!!



Is there a d-day to which this must be debated/passed?

I am guessing 14 days but I am not sure. They cannot sit on it!


Immediately after recess which happens to be the first week of November.


I thought the court gave them 12 months from date of ruling, ie March 2019?


President Uhuru did not sign the bill, rather he sent it to parliament with specific instructions that MPs throw it(bill) out of the window. CS Yattani is on record saying that this is expected to happen immediately parliament resumes session in November.
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MaichBlack
#2874 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:36:20 PM
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Sad that it took the government this long to realise something we realised and stated here before the president appended his signature on the interest control bill!!!

I can never give a random individual a loan at the same rate as Safaricom or BAT. I can never give KQ a loan at the same rate as EABL!!! A first year economics student knows this!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Rongla
#2875 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:39:15 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Sad that it took the government this long to realise something we realised and stated here before the president appended his signature on the interest control bill!!!

I can never give a random individual a loan at the same rate as Safaricom or BAT. I can never give KQ a loan at the same rate as EABL!!! A first year economics student knows this!!!


That was exactly what the banks were doing before the rate cap. They were literally abusing the goodwill of their good customers by over charging them high interest to carter for their Non performing loans.

Even if the rate cap goes, measures should be put in place to protect goid borrowers. The CRB is not enough
obiero
#2876 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:46:15 PM
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Rongla wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Sad that it took the government this long to realise something we realised and stated here before the president appended his signature on the interest control bill!!!

I can never give a random individual a loan at the same rate as Safaricom or BAT. I can never give KQ a loan at the same rate as EABL!!! A first year economics student knows this!!!


That was exactly what the banks were doing before the rate cap. They were literally abusing the goodwill of their good customers by over charging them high interest to carter for their Non performing loans.

Even if the rate cap goes, measures should be put in place to protect goid borrowers. The CRB is not enough

@rongla speaks sense

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Horton
#2877 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:50:05 PM
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Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
Rongla wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Sad that it took the government this long to realise something we realised and stated here before the president appended his signature on the interest control bill!!!

I can never give a random individual a loan at the same rate as Safaricom or BAT. I can never give KQ a loan at the same rate as EABL!!! A first year economics student knows this!!!


That was exactly what the banks were doing before the rate cap. They were literally abusing the goodwill of their good customers by over charging them high interest to carter for their Non performing loans.

Even if the rate cap goes, measures should be put in place to protect goid borrowers. The CRB is not enough

@rongla speaks sense


@rongla how do you propose the banks price their risk?
ngapat
#2878 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:59:51 PM
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Cap should be maintained but adjusted. They can slightly increase the interest margins. They could also classify loans i.e secured and non secured. The can then widen the interest margins on non secured loans
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MaichBlack
#2879 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:04:42 PM
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ngapat wrote:
Cap should be maintained but adjusted. They can slightly increase the interest margins. They could also classify loans i.e secured and non secured. The can then widen the interest margins on non secured loans

All these suggestions/ideas have been overtaken by time.
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Ericsson
#2880 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:14:04 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
ngapat wrote:
Cap should be maintained but adjusted. They can slightly increase the interest margins. They could also classify loans i.e secured and non secured. The can then widen the interest margins on non secured loans

All these suggestions/ideas have been overtaken by time.


If the caps remained the economy was grinding to a halt.
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