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Today I have counted 3 stalled NYS buses. I'm not sure if GoK will be able to pull this through. They should have tendered for a private transport provider for the areas within 15km of CBD
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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iris wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted. So how do you use the train if you live in roysambu, roasters, pangani etc?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 72 Location: KENYA
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hardwood wrote:iris wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted. So how do you use the train if you live in roysambu, roasters, pangani etc? That was his point, really. An improved railway link would have connected these suburbs. In cities like Jo'burg and Pretoria, there is a bus-feeder system that ferries train passengers from suburbs that are away from the train stations to the train station at a subsidized cost. Improve train wagons and engines, revamp train stations and the actual railway line, and establish a bus feeder system. Thika Road admittedly needs a relief system from an alternate transport form. “The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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shiznit wrote:hardwood wrote:iris wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted. So how do you use the train if you live in roysambu, roasters, pangani etc? That was his point, really. An improved railway link would have connected these suburbs. In cities like Jo'burg and Pretoria, there is a bus-feeder system that ferries train passengers from suburbs that are away from the train stations to the train station at a subsidized cost. Improve train wagons and engines, revamp train stations and the actual railway line, and establish a bus feeder system. Thika Road admittedly needs a relief system from an alternate transport form. The nearest railway station to roysambu is in mwiki or githurai. So how many will board the subsidised buses to mwiki to catch the train to town? You should note that the current reli was built by colonialists for their use to move goods between nairobi and thika, nanyuki/laikipia and that was before roads were built. It's routing is inappropriate for current urban transport. Therefore putting new locomotives and wagons may not help solve the problem. If we are to use reli for urban transport, the only way out is to build a new commuter rail that serves the residential areas or an elevated reli along the major roads. The chinese have built elevated parts of sgr. So there would be no problem doing the same along the major roads ie. thika road, waiyaki way, ngong rd, mbs road etc. 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:shiznit wrote:hardwood wrote:iris wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted. So how do you use the train if you live in roysambu, roasters, pangani etc? That was his point, really. An improved railway link would have connected these suburbs. In cities like Jo'burg and Pretoria, there is a bus-feeder system that ferries train passengers from suburbs that are away from the train stations to the train station at a subsidized cost. Improve train wagons and engines, revamp train stations and the actual railway line, and establish a bus feeder system. Thika Road admittedly needs a relief system from an alternate transport form. The nearest railway station to roysambu is in mwiki or githurai. So how many will board the subsidised buses to mwiki to catch the train to town? You should note that the current reli was built by colonialists for their use to move goods between nairobi and thika, nanyuki/laikipia and that was before roads were built. It's routing is inappropriate for current urban transport. Therefore putting new locomotives and wagons may not help solve the problem. If we are to use reli for urban transport, the only way out is to build a new commuter rail that serves the residential areas or an elevated reli along the major roads. The chinese have built elevated parts of sgr. So there would be no problem doing the same along the major roads ie. thika road, waiyaki way, ngong rd, mbs road etc. Kwani "improving the rail link" nikufanya nini?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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There is traffic because many residents want to drive themselves to work. Wont change significantly even with improved railway
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/7/2017 Posts: 186 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:There is traffic because many residents want to drive themselves to work.
Wont change significantly even with improved railway Many residents drive to work, because the public transport as it is, is unreliable, insecure and congested...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,654
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hardwood wrote:shiznit wrote:hardwood wrote:iris wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mukiha wrote:If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open? Amazing...8 years later There are really smart people in Kenya. Problem is that they will never be consulted. So how do you use the train if you live in roysambu, roasters, pangani etc? That was his point, really. An improved railway link would have connected these suburbs. In cities like Jo'burg and Pretoria, there is a bus-feeder system that ferries train passengers from suburbs that are away from the train stations to the train station at a subsidized cost. Improve train wagons and engines, revamp train stations and the actual railway line, and establish a bus feeder system. Thika Road admittedly needs a relief system from an alternate transport form. The nearest railway station to roysambu is in mwiki or githurai. So how many will board the subsidised buses to mwiki to catch the train to town? You should note that the current reli was built by colonialists for their use to move goods between nairobi and thika, nanyuki/laikipia and that was before roads were built. It's routing is inappropriate for current urban transport. Therefore putting new locomotives and wagons may not help solve the problem. If we are to use reli for urban transport, the only way out is to build a new commuter rail that serves the residential areas or an elevated reli along the major roads. The chinese have built elevated parts of sgr. So there would be no problem doing the same along the major roads ie. thika road, waiyaki way, ngong rd, mbs road etc. The patterns of settlement will have to change to follow the transport nodes. In most cities once the major transport link like the light rail is done, people shift to live near the transport node. Transport should not follow people to their settlements which is what out para-transit matatus have done. The light rail system being developed will have the effect of discouraging settlements in some areas. Secondly building elevated reli would be a disaster on the urban landscape. Elevated reli would act as a barrier and discourage human interactions. In other parts of the world elevated reli and highways within the urban areas are being knocked down. Elevated reli would only invite the homeless to live under and also a place for rubbish and public urinals. That's the reason the world bank refused to build the elevated Uhuru highway. This idea of living in the suburbs then insisting on clogging the streets with cars is what kills the urban core. Wahindis have been living and working on kirinyaga road, westlands and ngara. 7 out of 10 Nairobians opt for public transport. The 30% should tells us what makes them special
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