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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. PHP has friends in high places. Did I exit too soon? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. PHP has friends in high places. Did I exit too soon? I pity you exited to early before 'army of experts' chip in...Real rocket rally has begun. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/10/2014 Posts: 145 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. On Monday I tried to exit at 3.55 and nobody was interested with my stake "Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Spikes wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. PHP has friends in high places. Did I exit too soon? I pity you exited to early before 'army of experts' chip in...Real rocket rally has begun. Another army from IFC forces coming up. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,530 Location: nairobi
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jgithige wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. On Monday I tried to exit at 3.55 and nobody was interested with my stake Pole sana HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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A bailout. Needs a massive restructuring effort to get firing on all cylinders. As it stands - for investment/speculative purposes - calculating the NAV of this firm is an exercise in futility and provides no guide on the probable margin of safety. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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2.6mn on bid at 4.05 with no supply. For now. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/10/2014 Posts: 145 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:jgithige wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. On Monday I tried to exit at 3.55 and nobody was interested with my stake Pole sana Sale Order expired stake with me "Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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jgithige wrote:obiero wrote:jgithige wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. On Monday I tried to exit at 3.55 and nobody was interested with my stake Pole sana Sale Order expired stake with me Good for. Price now at 4.05 Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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Whereas, I may be skeptical about the recent (one-sided) announcement of the IFC and CDC loans, I do want these to come to fruition ASAP. Plus shopping around ARM competitively to a Strategic Investor. I believe ARM should be delisted, after paying Minority Shareholders a fair price, so it can deal with its problems in private. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Whereas, I may be skeptical about the recent (one-sided) announcement of the IFC and CDC loans, I do want these to come to fruition ASAP. Plus shopping around ARM competitively to a Strategic Investor. I believe ARM should be delisted, after paying Minority Shareholders a fair price, so it can deal with its problems in private. The market Is full of other similar monkeys why discriminate and de list a single one? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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VituVingiSana wrote:Whereas, I may be skeptical about the recent (one-sided) announcement of the IFC and CDC loans, I do want these to come to fruition ASAP. Plus shopping around ARM competitively to a Strategic Investor. I believe ARM should be delisted, after paying Minority Shareholders a fair price, so it can deal with its problems in private. I tend to disagree with the delisting view mainly because minority shareholders are always screwed and never get that 'fair price". The company was listed to enable them fund growth through equity. Once they get listed, these companies abandon equity and start opting for sophisticated debt and debt related instruments which backfire and poor public investors are then left with worthless paper. This is damaging to capital markets. Moreover the costs of maintaining the public listing are not the root cause of the company's problems. Like you said yesterday, management, the board and strategic shareholders/investors need to stop worrying about share prices and focus on creating shareholder wealth. Share prices take care of themselves eventually. They do however need to be more open/ transparent about the company's operations/ progress On this note, centum and trans century investors should be carefully..#sophisticated debt instruments have to bite any time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Whereas, I may be skeptical about the recent (one-sided) announcement of the IFC and CDC loans, I do want these to come to fruition ASAP. Plus shopping around ARM competitively to a Strategic Investor. I believe ARM should be delisted, after paying Minority Shareholders a fair price, so it can deal with its problems in private. The market Is full of other similar monkeys why discriminate and de list a single one? Coz I have shares in this funny monkey business You can advocate for a delisting of your monkey. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Whereas, I may be skeptical about the recent (one-sided) announcement of the IFC and CDC loans, I do want these to come to fruition ASAP. Plus shopping around ARM competitively to a Strategic Investor. I believe ARM should be delisted, after paying Minority Shareholders a fair price, so it can deal with its problems in private. I tend to disagree with the delisting view mainly because minority shareholders are always screwed and never get that 'fair price". The company was listed to enable them fund growth through equity. Once they get listed, these companies abandon equity and start opting for sophisticated debt and debt related instruments which backfire and poor public investors are then left with worthless paper. This is damaging to capital markets. Moreover the costs of maintaining the public listing are not the root cause of the company's problems. Like you said yesterday, management, the board and strategic shareholders/investors need to stop worrying about share prices and focus on creating shareholder wealth. Share prices take care of themselves eventually. They do however need to be more open/ transparent about the company's operations/ progress On this note, centum and trans century investors should be carefully..#sophisticated debt instruments have to bite any time Transcentury bondholders were bamboozled. I don't think anyone will do another deal of this sort with them in the near future. Centum is a different play and with their focus on "project finance" they can isolate the problems to the JV/SPV. I am ndani Centum. On ARM, I want a FAIR price but as you mentioned there is a tendency for not being fair to minority shareholders e.g. Unga, REA (before the counterbids), Unilever, etc. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/10/2014 Posts: 145 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:jgithige wrote:obiero wrote:jgithige wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Demand 5.62mn at 3.70 Supply ZERO The headline of https://www.businessdail...57018-6h9b18/index.html seems to have worked wonders. Though, when one actually reads the article then one realizes that ARM is still in talks with IFC. It is not a done deal. And it could take a year. Even CDC hasn't released the money for Working Capital. That might take another 2 months. On Monday I tried to exit at 3.55 and nobody was interested with my stake Pole sana Sale Order expired stake with me Good for. Price now at 4.05 We are now @ 4.45 "Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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What is going on here? 1.70mn on bid at 4.45 (1.30pm) with trades of 2mn+ with the last trade at 11.42pm I do not usually buy for "trading" but my fingers are itching to take profits like @sparkly. Based on my "Analysis" - there are too many variables so I am using NAV less another massive loss in 2018 with a breakeven 2019 as cheaper loans kick in, CDC provides working capital and TZ starts improving and then 2020 onwards back to enough cashflow to pay down the massive loans OR be bought out - I believe 10/- in 3Q 2020 is feasible. Props to @xxxxx (who got me interested enough to read the Annual Report) @sparkly - just coz + others who contributed links/info, etc. All that said, do I take my 25% in less than a month and run? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:What is going on here? 1.70mn on bid at 4.45 (1.30pm) with trades of 2mn+ with the last trade at 11.42pm I do not usually buy for "trading" but my fingers are itching to take profits like @sparkly. Based on my "Analysis" - there are too many variables so I am using NAV less another massive loss in 2018 with a breakeven 2019 as cheaper loans kick in, CDC provides working capital and TZ starts improving and then 2020 onwards back to enough cashflow to pay down the massive loans OR be bought out - I believe 10/- in 3Q 2020 is feasible. Props to @xxxxx (who got me interested enough to read the Annual Report) @sparkly - just coz + others who contributed links/info, etc. All that said, do I take my 25% in less than a month and run? Technically speaking: 1. The fall from 6.00 to sub 3 was too steep. Share filling in the gaps between 6.00-3.00 hence the retracement. 2. If Investors are not confident of the fundamentals, the rally will breakdown around 4.50-5.00 and share will fall below 2.40. 3. If the bulls take over 6.00 will be smashed. 4. In conclusion watch the price around 4.50 - 5.00. If demand is weak, sell and wait for lower lows. If 5.00 and 6.00 are smashed, buy some more. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,530 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:What is going on here? 1.70mn on bid at 4.45 (1.30pm) with trades of 2mn+ with the last trade at 11.42pm I do not usually buy for "trading" but my fingers are itching to take profits like @sparkly. Based on my "Analysis" - there are too many variables so I am using NAV less another massive loss in 2018 with a breakeven 2019 as cheaper loans kick in, CDC provides working capital and TZ starts improving and then 2020 onwards back to enough cashflow to pay down the massive loans OR be bought out - I believe 10/- in 3Q 2020 is feasible. Props to @xxxxx (who got me interested enough to read the Annual Report) @sparkly - just coz + others who contributed links/info, etc. All that said, do I take my 25% in less than a month and run? Technically speaking: 1. The fall from 6.00 to sub 3 was too steep. Share filling in the gaps between 6.00-3.00 hence the retracement. 2. If Investors are not confident of the fundamentals, the rally will breakdown around 4.50-5.00 and share will fall below 2.40. 3. If the bulls take over 6.00 will be smashed. 4. In conclusion watch the price around 4.50 - 5.00. If demand is weak, sell and wait for lower lows. If 5.00 and 6.00 are smashed, buy some more. Hapa inahitaji ninja stock traders.. Possibility of getting caught up in the hype is high. But all the best to ya brave souls HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,701 Location: NAIROBI
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President Uhuru Kenyatta revokes ARM boss Pradeep Paunrana's appointment as Chairman of Anti Counterfeit Agency board,appoints Flora Mutahi as the new chairperson Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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