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#2701 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:52:09 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
@Obiero when the share price hits 2bob chukua loan of 5mn and load up 2.5mn shares. With that one we expect a pure dollar millionaire in town and even Nyanza. Do not hestate rush to your nearest bank branch and obtain Loan App Form more quickly than humanly possible.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Aguytrying
#2702 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27:58 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#2703 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:59:55 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,367
Location: Nairobi
Aguytrying wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
I parted ways with KQ at 14-ish. No regrets. Just relief.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2704 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 5:57:59 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,296
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in Brevenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
I parted ways with KQ at 14-ish. No regrets. Just relief.

Today I ran into some random 10k. Strangely, my first thought was to use it all to purchase KQ, but I settled to start with 100 shares. Call it an addiction or whatever floats your boat, but this share will suprise many in years to come. Delisting or suspension unlikely to ever occur on this GoK held share based on ownership percentage
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
whiteowl
#2705 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:03:40 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in Brevenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
I parted ways with KQ at 14-ish. No regrets. Just relief.

Today I ran into some random 10k. Strangely, my first thought was to use it all to purchase KQ, but I settled to start with 100 shares. Call it an addiction or whatever floats your boat, but this share will suprise many in years to come. Delisting or suspension unlikely to ever occur on this GoK held share based on ownership percentage


you should have a rehab number on speed dial
obiero
#2706 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:24:02 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,296
Location: nairobi
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in Brevenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
I parted ways with KQ at 14-ish. No regrets. Just relief.

Today I ran into some random 10k. Strangely, my first thought was to use it all to purchase KQ, but I settled to start with 100 shares. Call it an addiction or whatever floats your boat, but this share will suprise many in years to come. Delisting or suspension unlikely to ever occur on this GoK held share based on ownership percentage


you should have a rehab number on speed dial

COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
maka
#2707 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:33:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in Brevenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray

@ngunze mentions repeatedly that KQ is opearationally sound. atlease the financials support his theory.. operating margin now headed back to natural positivr state..


@ProverB hit it out of the park. I wish I had listened to him in 2010. I didn't look at it that way. What a mistake on my end.

I will call it a lesson, not a mistake. Will be on the look out for FYR.. Before then, munipate Nyanza..


@vvs, obiero. If you know what's good for you stay away from kq forever. I too was burnt, and it turned me into a very shrewd investor. Even if KQ recovers in the next 10 yrs, as long as the major shareholder stays the same, expect future scandals.esp current regime, are wrong number ile mbaya.
That's why you see i never salivate over low PER's of gava firms or stock rallies. Management is everything in stocks, ask Buffet.
I parted ways with KQ at 14-ish. No regrets. Just relief.

Today I ran into some random 10k. Strangely, my first thought was to use it all to purchase KQ, but I settled to start with 100 shares. Call it an addiction or whatever floats your boat, but this share will suprise many in years to come. Delisting or suspension unlikely to ever occur on this GoK held share based on ownership percentage


you should have a rehab number on speed dial




Am with you on this @Obiero...target 500,000 shares to be sold after elections...
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#2708 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:46:43 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,367
Location: Nairobi
Maintenance issues or pilots madharau?
2 KQ flights have had 'technical hitches' in the past week!
The expenses for cancelled flights adds up. Hotels for passengers, refunds for passengers, pilot and crew allowances, etc.

http://www.businessdaily...88/-/hloja9/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Cde Monomotapa
#2709 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:04:20 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/13/2011
Posts: 5,964
Reducing bus politics in the airplane

Kenyans stuck in '50km' traffic jam on Nairobi-Mombasa road

Quote:

By bus: Nine hours
By truck: More than one day
By car: Between six and seven hours
By plane: 45 minutes
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34867935

Thanks to Jambojet, Diani direct! Over the ferry...
maka
#2710 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:33:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
[quote=VituVingiSana]Maintenance issues or pilots madharau?
2 KQ flights have had 'technical hitches' in the past week!
The expenses for cancelled flights adds up. Hotels for passengers, refunds for passengers, pilot and crew allowances, etc.

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/hloja9/-/index.html[/quote]

More money for service providers....
possunt quia posse videntur
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