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Thika Road Expansion was a Mistake
mufasa
#261 Posted : Saturday, January 27, 2018 7:55:14 AM
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The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy
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obiero
#262 Posted : Saturday, January 27, 2018 8:06:04 AM
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mufasa wrote:
The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy

You are saying the right things but our leaders will never take us to where we need to be

mkeiy
#263 Posted : Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:18:28 PM
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mufasa wrote:
The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy




Is Thika highway all about Nairobi?
Isn't Outering road expansion a positive?
The Bypasses,aren't they desired?
Expansion of Msa road to Machakos turn-off, anything wrong with that?

Cities don't just happen. There has to be some economic activity,the oil that keeps the machine running.
obiero
#264 Posted : Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:39:50 PM
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mkeiy wrote:
mufasa wrote:
The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy




Is Thika highway all about Nairobi?
Isn't Outering road expansion a positive?
The Bypasses,aren't they desired?
Expansion of Msa road to Machakos turn-off, anything wrong with that?

Cities don't just happen. There has to be some economic activity,the oil that keeps the machine running.

I believe that you have missed his point completely.. Rural urban migration is hurting Kenya and the crime statistics support this view. People move from an agricultural area full of life only to come squeeze into a four walled tin structure with a monthly pay of KES 7k. That's an earning of about KES 200 per day. It's not right

Horton
#265 Posted : Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:37:47 AM
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Infrastructure and development of a country go hand in hand. You cant have cities or town development without roads or infrastructure. There are several roads built in upcountry too. These promote trade. Look at the isiolo road, Lapset these all spur economic activity. Thika road is great for bringing industrial goods from Thika to the market place.

Juojo
#266 Posted : Monday, January 29, 2018 10:31:11 AM
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mufasa wrote:
The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy



Very true. If we donot address this soon it's going to be a disaster. Devolution might be our only hope
Happiness is not the absence of problems, It's the ability to deal with them
Juojo
#267 Posted : Monday, January 29, 2018 10:32:47 AM
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mufasa wrote:
The obsession with piling infrastructure in Nairobi (696 km²) will see lots of resources wasted. In a country of 50million people, we need not less than 5 cities that can hold no less than 5 million each spurred by a vibrant diverse economy



Very true. If we don't address this soon it's going to be a disaster. Devolution might be our only hope
Happiness is not the absence of problems, It's the ability to deal with them
wukan
#268 Posted : Monday, January 29, 2018 11:04:33 AM
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Horton wrote:
Infrastructure and development of a country go hand in hand. You cant have cities or town development without roads or infrastructure. There are several roads built in upcountry too. These promote trade. Look at the isiolo road, Lapset these all spur economic activity. Thika road is great for bringing industrial goods from Thika to the market place.



There are many parts of Nairobi without roads or infrastructure like sewer or water and still growing. Zimmerman, Juja, Syokimau all grew before the infrastructure came around. You can have cities or towns without roads. Cities are for people not cars. Actually roads and highways kill cities and create urban sprawl. Have the industrial goods from Thika become cheaper as result of the Thika road? Are the pineapples even cheaper?
Fyatu
#269 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2018 9:58:24 AM
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long post alert....

The move to force matatus to use the express way is welcome but very dumb. I used Thika road last week in the evening hours(heading to town from Githurai) and made the following observations.


1. Matatus still stop at express way to drop passengers who in turn jump over the steel barriers risking their lives and other peoples lives.This is not unique to Thika road. This is even worse at the brand new outering road.

2. The bumps at delarue/survey are the main cause of traffick jam. Its very stupid to call a road a superhighway and yet install speed bumbs on the express way to allow pedestrians(all due respect) to cross the damn expressway. It is also very stupid to have bus stages on a road called a super highway.

3. Traffick cops have no business standing on the superhighway unless with the objective of apprehending the rogue matatus dropping and picking passengers anywhere and everywhere.

4. All matatus plying Thika road should have a terminus somewhere in KU/Uhuru's farm and there should be a Rapid bus from that point to town.This is the only way to get rid of traffick at Muranga road/Globe cinema bottleneck. This should also apply to Mombasa road where all matatus should end their trips at Syokimau. In short, matatus should not be allowed to operate within a 15km radius of the CBD. Tanzania is doing it so this is not rocket science.This should also apply for langata road and Waiyaki way.

Kenyans have long suffered from matatu chaos. The matatu operators have made enough money(recovered)ever since the demise of KBS therefore should not complain. That fellow Kimutai and Mbugua have been at it since the 90's and have made enough money to focus on other ventures and allow Kenyans to live a diesel-pollution free life. Government should also walk the talk. Kizungu mingi na catwalk does not help the watch repairer or the shoeshine guy on Accra road who is swallowing diesel smoke in humongous portions as i write this. The muhindi at Posta stage in Tom Mboya street or the mobile phone sellers at Ronald Ngala street are not spared either by this diesel pollution and neither is you and i and a host of other peace loving wananchi.

Finally, Uhuru or any other future Kenyan president should copy Paul Kagame way of doing things(There is no shame in doing this). Paul Kagame serves the interest of Rwandans and not a few interest groups/cartels e.g., Matatu owners association or evangelical churches association etc. We are in the 21st century na hatupendi ujinga ya 90's.
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winmak
#270 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2018 10:11:22 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
long post alert....

The move to force matatus to use the express way is welcome but very dumb. I used Thika road last week in the evening hours(heading to town from Githurai) and made the following observations.


1. Matatus still stop at express way to drop passengers who in turn jump over the steel barriers risking their lives and other peoples lives.This is not unique to Thika road. This is even worse at the brand new outering road.

2. The bumps at delarue/survey are the main cause of traffick jam. Its very stupid to call a road a superhighway and yet install speed bumbs on the express way to allow pedestrians(all due respect) to cross the damn expressway. It is also very stupid to have bus stages on a road called a super highway.

3. Traffick cops have no business standing on the superhighway unless with the objective of apprehending the rogue matatus dropping and picking passengers anywhere and everywhere.

4. All matatus plying Thika road should have a terminus somewhere in KU/Uhuru's farm and there should be a Rapid bus from that point to town.This is the only way to get rid of traffick at Muranga road/Globe cinema bottleneck. This should also apply to Mombasa road where all matatus should end their trips at Syokimau. In short, matatus should not be allowed to operate within a 15km radius of the CBD. Tanzania is doing it so this is not rocket science.This should also apply for langata road and Waiyaki way.

Kenyans have long suffered from matatu chaos. The matatu operators have made enough money(recovered)ever since the demise of KBS therefore should not complain. That fellow Kimutai and Mbugua have been at it since the 90's and have made enough money to focus on other ventures and allow Kenyans to live a diesel-pollution free life. Government should also walk the talk. Kizungu mingi na catwalk does not help the watch repairer or the shoeshine guy on Accra road who is swallowing diesel smoke in humongous portions as i write this. The muhindi at Posta stage in Tom Mboya street or the mobile phone sellers at Ronald Ngala street are not spared either by this diesel pollution and neither is you and i and a host of other peace loving wananchi.

Finally, Uhuru or any other future Kenyan president should copy Paul Kagame way of doing things(There is no shame in doing this). Paul Kagame serves the interest of Rwandans and not a few interest groups/cartels e.g., Matatu owners association or evangelical churches association etc. We are in the 21st century na hatupendi ujinga ya 90's.


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