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mwenza
#261 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:30:46 PM
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TAZ wrote:
mwenza wrote:
TAZ wrote:
You do not need to be a genius to figure out which team between Arsenal and Man Utd has a weak midfield.....no wonder he made a lousy manager.




True, its a no-brainer. The results of the last 6yrs or so are conclusive enough.


True we've not won anything since 2005 but my point was that our midfield is still better than Man Utd's that is why everyone has been going about how Arsenal need to impove at the back. I don't think players such as Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson would get a starting role at Arsenal.



There is a big difference between "midfield" and "central midfield", if you see what I mean.....What you are talking about is the latter!

Its difficult to conclusively gauge which team has the best midfield.....The only gauge I can think of is the number of trophies in the cabinet. The number of trophies won will reflect the nature of midfield a club has.

Make no mistake, a club with a lousy midfield will never win anybody any trophy.

Whereas aseno defence is taunted as the weak link in the team, I believe the weakness of aseno is bigger than their so called suspect defence. When a club keep conceding goals from dead-balls, its very cruel to keep on blaming the defence. The job of defending set-pieces is not a preserve of designated defenders only.
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TAZ
#262 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:05:11 PM
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@ Mwenza.....Do you honestly think Man Utd would have won the league without Vidic and Ferdinand? What about Chelsea, they collapsed when Terry and Alex were injured despite having so many good players in the middle. If you analyse Arsenal's performance for the past 3 seasons most of the goals conceeded have been due to silly mistakes at the back and lack of height (physical presence). Btw by defence i mean the centre backs....the full backs have always played their role in set-pieces but we lack height at the centre to counter the likes of Drogba, Terry, Crouch, Shawcross etc. For the best part of last season Djourou, Squillaci & Koscielny were our main centre backs! In 2009-2010 season Vermaelen was in the PFA team of the year, what we need is just one big defender (preferably Samba) to deal with set pieces.
mwenza
#263 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:47:44 AM
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Even if aseno signed Samba, Jagielka and Cahill, they will still struggle to win the EPL so long as they continue playing without varying their game plan to suit various circumstances and oppositions.

You can't play against a team like, say,Man U the same way you play against,say, Stoke. Similarly, you can't continue keeping the ball on the ground when the other team is clearly on a different mission.

The aseno game entails swift exchange of passes between several players. The danger with that system is that when one pass goes astray or its intercepted, players are caught out of position and conceding silly goals becomes very easy.
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McReggae
#264 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:54:21 AM
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TAZ,
How many games did Rio play for United last season????
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TAZ
#265 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:40:39 AM
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@ Mwenza.....The only way to play against teams like Stoke and Blackburn is by having a strong defensive strategy. Most of our players don't have that physical presence which you need to defend against such teams.

Last season, Arsenal were the only team who averaged over 60% possession, had the best pass completion in the attacking third, had more touches in the opposition penalty area than any other side. We scored 72 goals, which was the second best in the league (Man Utd had 78). However, more than 50% of the goals conceded by Arsenal were from set-pieces....the highest in the league. Apart from Barca, i don't think there's any team which totally dominated Arsenal...almost kila wakati ni mambo ya goals scored against run of play, Why? Djourou or Koscielny caught out of position. Late comebacks & defensive errors were the biggest stories of last season. We have one of the best (if not the best) midfield in the league but we also have very weak centre backs who play with a high line in defense.

@ McReggae....My point is that i don't think Man Utd's defense would have been that strong with the likes of Evans and Smalling at the back all season.
mwenza
#266 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:29:49 PM
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@TAZ....What I refuse to accept is the assertion that designated defenders are always at fault when a team concede goals from set-pieces. Have you noticed how Chelsea, for instance, deploys Drogba during dead-ball situations against them? Is it a coincidence that Drogba almost always is involved in vital clearances at set-pieces?

What aseno needs are a few big players......Whether defenders or otherwise. Those midgets who are good at exchanging passes will never take a club far in EPL.

One reason why aseno players are caught out of position more than players in other teams is because they get excited during attacks. This is a clear case of positional indiscipline(I struggle to avoid the word "immaturity"). A good Manager will never allow his team to have more than five players get involved in an attack at any one given time.
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TAZ
#267 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:19:54 PM
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@ Mwenza....Those midgets you're referring to are the same sort of players Barca have been using to thrash top teams around Europe. If you look at all the goals we conceeded from set plays, they were due to defensive errors from either Squillaci, Koscielny or Djourou nothing to do with the other players. Yes Drogba sometimes gets back to defend but then again are chelsea that good in counter attack football? You do not need to deploy other players to defend if you have quality centre backs.


Even with our weak defense we only conceeded 6 goals more than Man Utd and 10 more than the other top two teams....i don't need to repeat what i said on goals scored. We have Vermalen, like i said what we need is just one more defender with height to counter aerial balls. I have no problem with our players moving forward in an attack after all statistics are there to show that we've conceeded (like everyone else) very few goals from open play.
mwenza
#268 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:45:46 PM
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@TAZ....Those midgets at Barca are of a different pedigree. They don't launch attacks with stupid enthusiasm. Moreover their defenders never leave their defensive lines.

You say that: "I have no problem with our players moving forward in an attack"........If this is true, then you will never understand how the combination between CR7 and Ji Sung Park created one of the goals against aseno in a CL match. Ask Gibbs how he was thoroughly exposed in that move that created the goal.
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TAZ
#269 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:02:06 PM
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mwenza wrote:
@TAZ....Those midgets at Barca are of a different pedigree.


Well, our midgets are the only team to have beaten Barca in the CL last season and guess how we did it...Counter attack. C'mon Gibbs was playing in his first CL game .....kind of what Rafael experienced against Bayern. Instead of arguing you should compare how many goals we've scored from open play with that of other top teams.
mwenza
#270 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:09:54 PM
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TAZ wrote:
Well, our midgets are the only team to have beaten Barca in the CL last season and guess how we did it...Counter attack. C'mon Gibbs was playing in his first CL game .....kind of what Rafael experienced against Bayern. Instead of arguing you should compare how many goals we've scored from open play with that of other top teams.


Those statistics of goal scored don't tell the whole story. Indeed they are quite inconclusive when considered in isolation.

Sample this:

Man city who finished third last season scored only 60 goals. On the other hand, Blackpool, who were relegated for finishing second from bottom, scored 55 goals.
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