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Kwiklana
#501 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 3:19:10 PM
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@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.
biddii
#502 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 3:31:45 PM
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this is old news. The article uses information published in the annual report. If the reporter was present at the AGM. The auditor did give a clear statement on their comments. Maybe others can confirm.
obiero
#503 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 3:32:19 PM
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Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.

What would you want them to say bwana Kwiklana.. That @Obiero had warned them of the folly of chasing a rapidly moving monkey?

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
jgithige
#504 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 4:48:20 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
Pirate wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM? Guy delivers directly to your site in their name
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix? You need to set up a plant = capex / fixed costs / operations headache etc
Who vouches for the quality? That was my biggest question mark

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?


https://www.businessdail...3510-mx1ukyz/index.html How does this report impact the ARMs bottomline and the current rally


Just as I had suspected...the balance sheet was lying thoroughly. Good luck to those inside.


Now the auditor is trying to exonerate himself from the mess.
"Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
xxxxx
#505 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 5:14:00 PM
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obiero wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.

What would you want them to say bwana Kwiklana.. That @Obiero had warned them of the folly of chasing a rapidly moving monkey?


Haha...any responsible investor would know that this is not NEWS and should not elicit noise or even a reaction fOtherwisearket. All this is already priced in and was the main reason why @the price tanked decisively in April, May and the larger part of June.

The issue is simple. The auditor's challenge was doubts about the going concern of @ARMCement because as at reporting date, CDC had not committed to supporting the group's survival given the deteriorating Working K position. The auditor's concerns were mainly due to the fact that AFC's long term debt as well as the banks' loans were due this year.

The auditor has been engaged as group auditor for over 10 years. During that time, @ARM has constructed plants in TZ to the tune of so many billion KES. This plant is carried as PPE in the group's books.

The funds were advanced to Maweni Limestone which is 100% owned by @ARM. So there's a payable to @ARM in Maweni Limestones books as well as a receivable from Maweni in @ARMs books which cancel out on consolidation.

The auditor wanted either 1) this receivable to be provided for by @ARM which doesn't make sense because of the related party relationship and cancellation on consolidation which leaves a net of zero.

2) Failing that, because Tanzania is not performing, the auditor then wanted to impair this PPE which also didn't make sense since @ARM was in the process of debt restructure as well as confirming support from CDC which is now confirmed.

If you try to understand the reality of the situation, you would see the opportunity. Just a little bit of research and reading may open your eyes. Otherwise, stick to companies you purport to understand.

Just to be clear, if CDC had confirmed the debt restructure terms and conditions before the reporting period, the auditor would have been satisfied with ARMs going concern status and such provisions/impairments would never have been mooted. We wouldn't even be having this discussion regardless of ARMs financial performance.

The zig zagging of @ARMCement's price (or any other security for that matter) in the short term owing to regurgitated noise shouldn't blow you off your investment principles bwana. This is a stock market.

As always, if its not palatable for you, sit back, watch and learn.
xxxxx
#506 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 5:21:54 PM
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Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


This is not KQ. There's no need for 10,000 posts saying the same thing. One or two factual posts should suffice since information is within the public domain. That's it.
obiero
#507 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 5:31:59 PM
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xxxxx wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


This is not KQ. There's no need for 10,000 posts saying the same thing. One or two factual posts should suffice since information is within the public domain. That's it.

Well what you wrote above this post is like an essay, couldn't even finish it. Cha muhimu ni uhai :)

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#508 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 6:39:18 PM
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xxxxx wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


This is not KQ. There's no need for 10,000 posts saying the same thing. One or two factual posts should suffice since information is within the public domain. That's it.

Burn! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
@xxxxx @fyatu Niko ndani!
@sparkly - This is a relatively small position for me compared to my โ€œcoreโ€ holdings but tuko pamoja!
@xxxxx - I did come across this when I read the Annual Report. Unless the asset was permanently impaired, the asset could be written back.
Questions:
Whatโ€™s the relationship between ARM (TZ) and Maweni?
What did the auditor say during the AGM?
The Annual Report mentions that IFC in talks with ARM since June 2017. Progress?
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xxxxx
#509 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 7:20:59 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


This is not KQ. There's no need for 10,000 posts saying the same thing. One or two factual posts should suffice since information is within the public domain. That's it.

Burn! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
@xxxxx @fyatu Niko ndani!
@sparkly - This is a relatively small position for me compared to my โ€œcoreโ€ holdings but tuko pamoja!
@xxxxx - I did come across this when I read the Annual Report. Unless the asset was permanently impaired, the asset could be written back.
Questions:
Whatโ€™s the relationship between ARM (TZ) and Maweni?
What did the auditor say during the AGM?
The Annual Report mentions that IFC in talks with ARM since June 2017. Progress?


Both @ARM TZ and Maweni are 100% sub's. But Maweni is the one that deals with the manufacture of cement and related products ( the subs which @ARM said they didn't intend to sell).
As for the talks the truth is CDC got burnt and really dragged their feet. In fact, if you recall, they were looking for an exit at some point. So the decision to remain/back ARM was not taken lightly I promise you.

The auditor just read their opinion page as included in the annual report..as well as referring questions to the going concern note in the FS.
Fyatu
#510 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 8:45:26 PM
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Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


I am not shaken at all. I am glad to mop more at lower prices. There is no way the company with the largest clinker production capacity in East and Central Africa can be valued at 3 billion. Hata bei ya jioni 3 billion haiwezi. As @XXXXX has posited above, People should watch and learn. Afterall, this is a stock market.

Kaloleni 750 thousand metric tonnes
Tanga 1.2 million metric tonnes
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lochaz-index
#511 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:24:39 AM
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Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
rwitre
#512 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:34:34 AM
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lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming
Angelica _ann
#513 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:47:55 AM
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rwitre wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming


@Obiero is all smiles smile
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maka
#514 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:30:29 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
rwitre wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming


@Obiero is all smiles smile


For the umpteenth time never ever buy a corporate bond in Kenya... Never...
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Fyatu
#515 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:58:57 AM
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rwitre wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming



The time is nigh for Paunrana to make an appearance on rich Tv(https://www.rich.co.ke/rctools/richtv.php) as he used to do in the past and put the record straight.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
wukan
#516 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:25:58 AM
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lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


There is never only one cockroach in the kitchen
wukan
#517 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:30:14 AM
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maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
rwitre wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming


@Obiero is all smiles smile


For the umpteenth time never ever buy a corporate bond in Kenya... Never...


What about safaricom and kengen bonds? ARM was junk bond
Ericsson
#518 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:38:12 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


I am not shaken at all. I am glad to mop more at lower prices. There is no way the company with the largest clinker production capacity in East and Central Africa can be valued at 3 billion. Hata bei ya jioni 3 billion haiwezi. As @XXXXX has posited above, People should watch and learn. Afterall, this is a stock market.

Kaloleni 750 thousand metric tonnes
Tanga 1.2 million metric tonnes


Of all that production capacity how much cement are they selling?
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rwitre
#519 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:52:21 AM
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wukan wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
rwitre wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Still think that balance sheet is hiding alot more skeletons than what has been revealed so far. Time will tell.


They keep coming


@Obiero is all smiles smile


For the umpteenth time never ever buy a corporate bond in Kenya... Never...


What about safaricom and kengen bonds? ARM was junk bond


The pain of these Kenya corporate bonds
Fyatu
#520 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:52:55 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Kwiklana wrote:
@XXXXX and @Fyatu are rather quiet at this turn of events.


I am not shaken at all. I am glad to mop more at lower prices. There is no way the company with the largest clinker production capacity in East and Central Africa can be valued at 3 billion. Hata bei ya jioni 3 billion haiwezi. As @XXXXX has posited above, People should watch and learn. Afterall, this is a stock market.

Kaloleni 750 thousand metric tonnes
Tanga 1.2 million metric tonnes


Of all that production capacity how much cement are they selling?


There are high chances that the bag of Mombasa cement you bought or your neighbour bought for his/her mjengo was manufactured using clinker manufactured by Athi River Cement...Biashara sio simiti pekee yake.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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