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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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AlphDoti wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Alphdoti, the reason you have been deceived is because you do not understand the nature and form of the Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). As well as the nature and form of Jesus (both fully God and fully man) and how the two concepts interrelate... In fact Scripture talks of Him being equal to God but not using it to His own advantage while on earth. Ati fully God and fully man? Does that statement make sense to you? I told you no wonder you make the atheist just laugh at you! In fact your Bible says in Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man... neither the son of man" Ati which scripture talks about Jesus a.s. being equal to God? Can you share even a single unambiguous statement in that scripture where Jesus Christ (pbuh) himself said that "I'm God" or "worship me". I will give you first verse from your Bible which completely destroys your thinking: (1). Jesus says in John 14:28: "My father is greater than I." Again, as I said if you cannot understand how Christ was fully man ( Hebrews 4:15-16, Romans 5:18-19, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 2:5 + several more) and fully God ( John 1:1, John 20:28, John 8:57 and several more ) the boat has completely passed you by. Quoting Old Testament Scripture out of context is a favourite of the Ishmaelites. In fact your arguments are more bizarre than the atheists because you quote our Scripture that you do not understand - and out of context at that - in defending your own religion, instead of telling us from your own religious texts (verses and chapters) where and why (according to you) Jesus is not God. At least the atheist rejects all theism and is very confident therein. Taking that verse in Numbers out of context to make your bizarre claim is like someone reading Leviticus and wondering why Christians today do not sacrifice goats and rams for the remission of sins :). That's also why you Ishmaelites do not eat pork, and wonder why Christians do not preclude it in their diet despite it being forbidden in the Old Testament context  , But I am sure even this simple fact will not make sense to you. I however am very glad that you take time to study God's Word. That you have rejected it puzzles me, but that is your eternal right 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Worshipper_Muhammad wrote:You know we've been there before, where you have tried all these tricks before, but I will not tire to show you. You are the master of tricks. You can start referring to threads where you think you managed to confuse people. First you must understand the old Jewish culture where people were given "Godly" names and this confuses Christians who try to define the deity of Jesus a.s. Take for example Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim, plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.'" Brother @lonest, "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim" which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used in Isaiah 9:6. Note "gods" is several "EL"s. So for someone to be called "god" or "God" in your Bible would not make him GOD Almighty Himself, the Creator or YAHWEH, or Jehovah. Also for your information, anybody who is a "Son of GOD" according to your Bible is actually "god" or "God". Jesus actually set himself apart from everybody else in John 10.
Quote:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp. As for doubting Thomas who said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus a.s. Reflect back when God told Moses a.s. "I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: Aaron and of the Believers" (Exodus 7:1). So "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest. Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator. And Jesus being called "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty. He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations as David a.s. said "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalm 82:6) Suffice it to say even if Jesus had said he is God, the prophet of Satan(Muhammad) would still have made you believe Jesus' deity was no different from "master"./
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Worshipper_Muhammad You keep recycling scams since 2014! You were answered here already... guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:You can imagine having to die for refusing to convert to the worship of Muhammad. So who worships Muhammad?? Who even prays to Muhammad?? Why in God's name would anyone pray to a man who ate, slept, and took a dump just like themselves?? Muslims only worship the creator of the heavens and earth.. the creator of all that is seen and unseen!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Religion is very tricky. Suppose an alien came to earth and without prejudice was sat through christian beliefs, then Islam beliefs, then Hindu, Jewry etc. whom would he believe to the exclusion of all others. We are christian/Muslim/Hindu because we were raised in the geographic spheres of this religions. So as we defend our religions with zeal, spare a thought for your (hypothetical self) if Hinduism had colonized you and not Islam or Mzungu I would recommend all read about other religions that you do not subscribe to and you will be shocked at the similarities with your own. Chances are upto 85%,of the religious dogma is pretty much similar (good vs evil)regardless of religion. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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MugundaMan wrote:AlphDoti wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Alphdoti, the reason you have been deceived is because you do not understand the nature and form of the Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). As well as the nature and form of Jesus (both fully God and fully man) and how the two concepts interrelate... In fact Scripture talks of Him being equal to God but not using it to His own advantage while on earth. Ati fully God and fully man? Does that statement make sense to you? I told you no wonder you make the atheist just laugh at you! In fact your Bible says in Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man... neither the son of man" Ati which scripture talks about Jesus a.s. being equal to God? Can you share even a single unambiguous statement in that scripture where Jesus Christ (pbuh) himself said that "I'm God" or "worship me". I will give you first verse from your Bible which completely destroys your thinking: (1). Jesus says in John 14:28: "My father is greater than I." ...you quote our Scripture that you do not understand - and out of context at that - in defending your own religion, instead of telling us from your own religious texts (verses and chapters) where and why (according to you) Jesus is not God. At least the atheist rejects all theism and is very confident therein. Taking that verse in Numbers out of context to make your bizarre claim is like someone reading Leviticus and wondering why Christians today do not sacrifice goats and rams for the remission of sins :). That's also why you Ishmaelites do not eat pork, and wonder why Christians do not preclude it in their diet despite it being forbidden in the Old Testament context , But I am sure even this simple fact will not make sense to you. I however am very glad that you take time to study God's Word. That you have rejected it puzzles me, but that is your eternal right 1. I tell you about my religious text: the true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him: "(Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help." Quran 1:4. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in God and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted." (Quran 2:136) 2. Why we don't eat pork? (i). Deuteronomy 14:3-8 - "...The pig is unclean; ...it does not chew the cud, you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses." (ii). Matthew 5:17-18 that Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets." 3. What am I saying: To bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God. Moses (Peace be upon him) said "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.", Consistent with the first of Ten Commandments given to Moses. Jesus (peace be upon him) said the greatest of the commandment is, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one", consistent with the first of Ten Commandments.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Religion is very tricky. Suppose an alien came to earth and without prejudice was sat through christian beliefs, then Islam beliefs, then Hindu, Jewry etc. whom would he believe to the exclusion of all others. We are christian/Muslim/Hindu because we were raised in the geographic spheres of this religions. So as we defend our religions with zeal, spare a thought for your (hypothetical self) if Hinduism had colonized you and not Islam or Mzungu I would recommend all read about other religions that you do not subscribe to and you will be shocked at the similarities with your own. Chances are upto 85%,of the religious dogma is pretty much similar (good vs evil)regardless of religion. Well said. We are all born atheists. Theists are simply a product of their environment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Religion is very tricky. Suppose an alien came to earth and without prejudice was sat through christian beliefs, then Islam beliefs, then Hindu, Jewry etc. whom would he believe to the exclusion of all others. We are christian/Muslim/Hindu because we were raised in the geographic spheres of this religions. So as we defend our religions with zeal, spare a thought for your (hypothetical self) if Hinduism had colonized you and not Islam or Mzungu I would recommend all read about other religions that you do not subscribe to and you will be shocked at the similarities with your own. Chances are upto 85%,of the religious dogma is pretty much similar (good vs evil)regardless of religion. Well said. We are all born atheists. Theists are simply a product of their environment. @obi, it is not tricky. Suppose using your example, the person studying is of sound mind, and understands English, clearly he can tell the difference between two persons: (1). a baby, who was born, breastfed, peed, pooped, slept, prayed etc etc from (2). the one who created his mother, the sun, the moon, the stars, the one who created the food person 1 ate... How is it difficult to tell who is the God Almighty? @hamburglar, it is the other way round. Remember I wrote here (the last paragraph) that every child is born in a state Fitra. That means, every baby when born has recognition of God, a Creator imprinted in the soul, as a part of their nature. It's the parents who make that child a Jew or a Christian or a Hindu, or a Polytheist or Atheist. Naturally, a child submits to physical laws of universe, the soul too submits naturally to fact that God is his Lord and Creator. But, the parents try to make him follow their own way (read religion) and child at that early age is not strong enough to resist or oppose the will of his parents - customs and upbringing. So before the age of puberty, that baby is innocent. But when he grows up, he needs to study and correct wrong perceptions taught by his parents.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:[quote=Apricot] Quote:The gospels contradict each other whether and when not doing so, they are growing the legend. No proof of the disciples or of Moses or of other characters in the bible can be adduced like that of Alexander the Greek or Pontius Pilate can be. This is a complete fallacy. WHERE and HOW do the Gospels contradict each other. Please give us a few CONCRETE EXAMPLES of this so that we can take you seriously on this point. If you care to listen to Professor Bart Ehrman, he lists dozens of contradictions in the bible. And Bart does not even consider himself a non-theist. I will find time to respond to your other assertions. Bible contradictionsFirst time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:You know we've been there before, where you have tried all these tricks before, but I will not tire to show you.
First you must understand the old Jewish culture where people were given "Godly" names and this confuses Christians who try to define the deity of Jesus a.s. Take for example Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim, plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.'" Brother @lonest, "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim" which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used in Isaiah 9:6. Note "gods" is several "EL"s. So for someone to be called "god" or "God" in your Bible would not make him GOD Almighty Himself, the Creator or YAHWEH, or Jehovah. Also for your information, anybody who is a "Son of GOD" according to your Bible is actually "god" or "God".
As for doubting Thomas who said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus a.s. Reflect back when God told Moses a.s. "I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: Aaron and of the Believers" (Exodus 7:1). So "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest. Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator. And Jesus being called "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty. He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations as David a.s.
said "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalm 82:6) You are the master of tricks. You can start referring to threads where you think you managed to confuse people. Jesus actually set himself apart from everybody else in John 10.
Quote:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp. Suffice it to say even if Jesus had said he is God, the prophet of Satan(Muhammad) would still have made you believe Jesus' deity was no different from "master"./ 1. I stand by what I write. 2. Jesus answers you here 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods..."' John 10:34. Nowhere did Jesus ever claim to be "Almighty God" or "God". In fact the words of Jesus "My Father is greater than all." John 10:29 3. You are clearly jealous of Islam, that is why you can't sleep peacefully until you have hurled an insult towards Muhammad pbuh and his believers! It is he who asked Muslims to worship only the creator of the heavens and earth... the creator of all that is seen and unseen! Does Satan asks people to worship God Almighty alone?
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