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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Large cities such as London charge a "congestion fee" for all commuters passing through the "congestion zone" which is mainly the financial district. Sometimes last year, i tried to get to Citi bank from GPO from 1 O'clock i gave up at 3. Now that all banks are moving their headquarters to Upper Hill, lets wait for the mess that is about to crop up, if it hasn't. Shida tupu! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Large cities such as London charge a "congestion fee" for all commuters passing through the "congestion zone" which is mainly the financial district. Sometimes last year, i tried to get to Citi bank from GPO from 1 O'clock i gave up at 3. Now that all banks are moving their headquarters to Upper Hill, lets wait for the mess that is about to crop up, if it hasn't. Shida tupu! Indeed ..as I said people paid to think have failed ,in the case of London and other more developed cities , they do have somewhat of an efficient public service especially the trains ,therefore let those responsible give us concrete solutions .develop those and then charge to congest , I have used 44,45,237,30,23,22,10,58,and number tisa for the longest and well ...when I refuse to move e.g on a 44 so that they weka excess ,naambiwa enda ununue gari yako !! "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Sometimes, when someone feels he is so knowledgeable in a field that he he has to amount to insults, one is tempted to let them be. This is simple debate. We don't have to agree. I wonder who told people here that they are the only learned ones. Even if they were, is it so impossible to impart your knowledge without being obnoxious?? Jamaa, hapo umetuangusha. Even @impunity beats you in that! He at least tries to explain his stuff(railway) for the benefit of others here in wazua. And who said only economists should be involved in planning? We spend lots of money in our public institutions training Spatial Planners, Civil Engineers, Land Economists etc. Just because one studied Econ shouldn't give them sole rights to determine spatial planning in our towns/cities Seriously Maich, there were some guys blaming traffic on ma3s only(this happens often). You never opposed them! Why? Because for you, this argument is personal. They want you to use public and forfeit your private means for public. It's not really about the real pros and cons of whichever measure guys have proposed, it's just about your comfort. Of course govt mustn't ban. It should discourage and while at it work on alternative means. That's what I hold. Blaming ma3s like speculz is doing is leaving the antelope hunt to chase a squirrel! Be sure to do your UNBIASED paper(which I promise to read). Please factor in lost man hours. The economist in you should know that that is detrimental to the economy like in @murchr's case! Quote:Prof. Marion Mutungi, reminded attendants that “Trying to cure traffic congestion by adding more capacity is like trying to cure obesity by loosening your belt.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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Speculz wrote:MaichBlack wrote:And by the way I understand there are cities with extremely high personal vehicle per capita where a family can have as many as three of four cars - with one being used by the house girl/nanny etc to run errands. And this is replicated by a majority of the families.The volume of cars can be crazy. Such cities have no option but to restrict movement especially given that they have efficient and reliable public transport.
Come to Kenya and the number of personal cars is not even at 5% of grown up population (let alone the total population) and you cannot come up with a creative solution? Ban, ban, ban!!! Nini hii??? I like your thought process ,should buy you a drink ,people are just afraid to think ,actually to forecast ,banning and raising fees never helps , all we are asking for is constructive ideas ,I cannot fathom leaving home on thika road headed to chaka rd and having to pass via cbd ..it's not my fault ,someone was paid to think ..and they failed . Unless we to the level of Japan, banning shouldn't even cross anyone's mind. Most of our bureaucrats deserve a punch on the face.Not that it would help drive any sense into their heads but at least that would give them a feel of our frustrations. Just look at what number Kenya is on this list
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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whiteowl wrote:Speculz wrote:MaichBlack wrote:And by the way I understand there are cities with extremely high personal vehicle per capita where a family can have as many as three of four cars - with one being used by the house girl/nanny etc to run errands. And this is replicated by a majority of the families.The volume of cars can be crazy. Such cities have no option but to restrict movement especially given that they have efficient and reliable public transport.
Come to Kenya and the number of personal cars is not even at 5% of grown up population (let alone the total population) and you cannot come up with a creative solution? Ban, ban, ban!!! Nini hii??? I like your thought process ,should buy you a drink ,people are just afraid to think ,actually to forecast ,banning and raising fees never helps , all we are asking for is constructive ideas ,I cannot fathom leaving home on thika road headed to chaka rd and having to pass via cbd ..it's not my fault ,someone was paid to think ..and they failed . Unless we to the level of Japan, banning shouldn't even cross anyone's mind. Most of our bureaucrats deserve a punch on the face.Not that it would help drive any sense into their heads but at least that would give them a feel of our frustrations. Just look at what number Kenya is on this list  A country that has a vehicle per capita of A MERE 24 cars per 1000 inhabitants wants to copy paste actions of countries with vehicle per capitas of 500 to 1000+ per 1000 inhabitants??? Some of those countries have not even taken such drastic measures despite the HUGE number of vehicles. Even Zimbabwe has almost FIVE TIMES the vehicle per capita of Kenya. The fact that we even have a traffic problem is a testament of the mediocrity, laziness and lack of planning, thinking etc. on the part of the people involved/in charge. Let people think!!! And if thinking hurts their brains, replace them with people who can (think)!!!? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/11/2014 Posts: 16
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So those who implement the road pricing model in Germany,italy, Malta,Norway,sweden,UK, Dubai, Newyork, Brazil etc are LAZY? Sisi huku ndio tuna akili?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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knight260 wrote:So those who implement the road pricing model in Germany,italy, Malta,Norway,sweden,UK, Dubai, Newyork, Brazil etc are LAZY? Sisi huku ndio tuna akili?
Wewe Kijana angalia post ya @Whiteowl hapo juu. Those countries have vehicle per capitas of 500 to 1000+ vehicles per a thousand people. Kenya has a vehicle per capita of A MERE 24 vehicles per 1000 people!!! Ujinga ni MP from North Eastern kuambia watu wa constituency yake wa diet kwasababu aliona watu Germany, Italy, Sweden, Newyork etc. waki diet!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/11/2014 Posts: 16
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Stop being emotional. You cant compare the two. Simply because, their road networks were expanded as their economies grew, but still they insisted on public transportation. We will be acting irrational, if we go same route, only to realize that its impossible to expand road networks to infinity. Nobody says ban private cars, simply regulate during rush hours, sawa kijana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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MaichBlack wrote:whiteowl wrote:Speculz wrote:MaichBlack wrote:And by the way I understand there are cities with extremely high personal vehicle per capita where a family can have as many as three of four cars - with one being used by the house girl/nanny etc to run errands. And this is replicated by a majority of the families.The volume of cars can be crazy. Such cities have no option but to restrict movement especially given that they have efficient and reliable public transport.
Come to Kenya and the number of personal cars is not even at 5% of grown up population (let alone the total population) and you cannot come up with a creative solution? Ban, ban, ban!!! Nini hii??? I like your thought process ,should buy you a drink ,people are just afraid to think ,actually to forecast ,banning and raising fees never helps , all we are asking for is constructive ideas ,I cannot fathom leaving home on thika road headed to chaka rd and having to pass via cbd ..it's not my fault ,someone was paid to think ..and they failed . Unless we to the level of Japan, banning shouldn't even cross anyone's mind. Most of our bureaucrats deserve a punch on the face.Not that it would help drive any sense into their heads but at least that would give them a feel of our frustrations. Just look at what number Kenya is on this list A country that has a vehicle per capita of A MERE 24 cars per 1000 inhabitants wants to copy paste actions of countries with vehicle per capitas of 500 to 1000+ per 1000 inhabitants??? Some of those countries have not even taken such drastic measures despite the HUGE number of vehicles. Even Zimbabwe has almost FIVE TIMES the vehicle per capita of Kenya. The fact that we even have a traffic problem is a testament of the mediocrity, laziness and lack of planning, thinking etc. on the part of the people involved/in charge. Let people think!!! And if thinking hurts their brains, replace them with people who can (think)!!!? Let us think together, how many of these vehicles are in Nrb? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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