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KENOL-KOBIL 2014
Realtreaty
#461 Posted : Monday, December 15, 2014 11:19:06 AM
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Kausha wrote:
At what margin? KK off 2014 numbers will clearly demonstrate oil distribution is first and foremost a margin game then volumes.

KK does business in 10 countries. Market share in Kenya not the only indicator of business performance.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly But the whole brothe is stired in Kenya!!!
Wish all guys who love KK a Merry Xmas and a waiting 2015 year of better DVDDs
mlennyma
#462 Posted : Monday, December 15, 2014 11:33:13 AM
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I asked here what's the input of the 9 countries in kks profit because they seem to be just the names.
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mawinder
#463 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:13:17 AM
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Another opinion on Business Daily, I wonder if it is valid as I no longer trust our papers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.businessdaily...8/-/v84ykuz/-/index.html
Realtreaty
#464 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:15:15 AM
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Is it True
That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses?
Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015?
Or is it Business Creaming?
jerry
#465 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:30:40 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Is it True
That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses?
Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015?
Or is it Business Creaming?

What do you mean final year ending 2014 or you meant final quarter?
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Pesa Nane
#466 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:36:24 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Is it True
That for those stocks with Final Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses?
Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015?
Or is it Business Creaming?

Book closure for corporate actions (dividends, bonuses, rights etc) refers only to closure of shareholder REGISTERS and not financial/accounting books
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stock.enigma
#467 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:46:31 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Is it True
That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses?
Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015?
Or is it Business Creaming?


When the year closes, and as yo say, the company takes stock of all assets and liabilities. They then embark on preparing the final books of accounts. This may take sometimes depending on company's systems, operating procedures and approval processes. The account are then submitted to the external auditor, who have to confirm them. The process may be long is the auditor raises issues. Once the auditors give their opinion, the results are released. Given these processes, it is not practically feasible for any company to release the final accounts in Jan. Even those that release theirs in the month of Feb/Mar are those with superior systems such that by the time they close the year, their financials are more or less ready.
Realtreaty
#468 Posted : Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:03:40 PM
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Will the SuperDogs rise to close the year with a bang? How far can KK move up by 31 Dec, 2014. What is the best deal , under 10 or over 10?
Gordon Gekko
#469 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 8:01:28 AM
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stock.enigma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Is it True
That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses?
Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015?
Or is it Business Creaming?


When the year closes, and as yo say, the company takes stock of all assets and liabilities. They then embark on preparing the final books of accounts. This may take sometimes depending on company's systems, operating procedures and approval processes. The account are then submitted to the external auditor, who have to confirm them. The process may be long is the auditor raises issues. Once the auditors give their opinion, the results are released. Given these processes, it is not practically feasible for any company to release the final accounts in Jan. Even those that release theirs in the month of Feb/Mar are those with superior systems such that by the time they close the year, their financials are more or less ready.


Year end closing has no relationship to stock taking. Stock taking is done at any time, to verify physical stocks. Books closure can rely on booked items, which auditors check on a test basis to ascertain correctness. With good verifiable systems you don't have to stock take at year end.
Realtreaty
#470 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 5:36:38 PM
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@Gordon, the guy was very close to the answer. Ofcourse annual stock taking is done and is a requirement for proper auditing as there is no approximations and or is done with the help of quarter stocks taking if verified.
maka
#471 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 6:40:56 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Will the SuperDogs rise to close the year with a bang? How far can KK move up by 31 Dec, 2014. What is the best deal , under 10 or over 10?


Sub 8.9...action will come in from Feb..get in now if you can...
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Realtreaty
#472 Posted : Thursday, January 01, 2015 5:45:57 PM
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closing at 8.70 for the year 2014 is not a laughing matter.Sad Sad
Lets See how far it can go up just before the FY2014
murchr
#473 Posted : Thursday, January 01, 2015 6:11:43 PM
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Am about to get back in on this play. I saw someone buy at 8.6 and hopefully a 8.5 will print tomorrow
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Aguytrying
#474 Posted : Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:50:49 PM
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murchr wrote:
Am about to get back in on this play. I saw someone buy at 8.6 and hopefully a 8.5 will print tomorrow


8.50 should print. I'm seeing the share has shaken those demons of sub 8.00.
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VituVingiSana
#475 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 9:42:09 AM
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If nothing else KK should benefit from lower oil prices as it (like other OMCs) sell cheaper fuel at higher prices (coz ERC formula lags) BUT it can suffer if oil prices start rising.

2014 is done. I hope they have made the turnaround but the hard work of re-buidling the brand has started. Can Ohana and the Board guide KK to the huge (Operational) profits of days past?

Ultimately, the firm has to be sold to a deep pocketed Strategic Investor. If the books have cleaned up, can Puma return for a second look?
[This may be as a buy-out of existing shareholders or new shares issued i.e. recapitalization]

Fuel/Oil Hedges - Expired? [I think so]
Currency Hedges - Expired? [I think so]
Bad Debts - Collected or Written Off? [I doubt]

My jua kali way to look at it is to visit their stations. I see some improvement since June 2014. They stations are cleaner and stocked/wet. There is a lot that needs to be done but if progress continues a this rate then there may be hope in 2015.

Sale of KK. I hoped it was 2015 but I think it will a 2016 play. The biwotts would want clarity on the CGT.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gordon Gekko
#476 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 1:20:34 PM
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Read on the internet a few days ago (can't remember which site) on the richest ten Africans. Bikini was there with 99B. It also said he had completely exited petroleum.
Realtreaty
#477 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 1:23:36 PM
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Sad
The main funny and queer thing is having bought the last quarter oils at higher price and they are selling at lower price.
The order for 1st quarter 2015 had been placed at maybe relkatively higher price as well.
Now everyone from Mumias to Rea are preparing their FY2014 things!!!
d'oh! d'oh!

VituVingiSana
#478 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:13:59 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Sad
The main funny and queer thing is having bought the last quarter oils at higher price and they are selling at lower price.
The order for 1st quarter 2015 had been placed at maybe relkatively higher price as well.
Now everyone from Mumias to Rea are preparing their FY2014 things!!!
d'oh! d'oh!

Yes and No. The ERC pricing is based on loading done in the past 2 months so the selling price reflects it. And if the loading [if bought 60 days ago but received/sold after the downward ERC price change] price is higher than ERC's price, the ouch!

The good news is KK has stopped or reducing ordering cargoes. The bad news is that KK isn't making money on ordering cargoes.
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mlennyma
#479 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2015 1:45:21 PM
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The sellers of this thing never get tired,and the current management of kk needs to be crowned an award of keeping quiet.
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Aguytrying
#480 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2015 5:30:02 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
The sellers of this thing never get tired,and the current management of kk needs to be crowned an award of keeping quiet.


ha ha your right. they must also have many shares so sell for soo long. the management may be overcompensating the previous ceo
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