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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/23/2013 Posts: 34
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The comments have good ideas to solve the traffic menace. Allow me to throw my peni mbili into mix. We have too many vehicles heading into the CBD. However, banning private vehicles will not solve this traffic problem. We all know what happens when it rains and you are using matatus. Think of those watotos who have to wake up at 4/5am and have to travel across Nairobi so that they make it to City Road primary by 7am travelling by matatu, earlier if its the rainy season. Raising the parking fee (a tax on vehicle usage by any other name) will only increase the amount of money that is stolen by Kidero et al. Speaking of parking fee, it should have been ring fenced such that it can only be used on provision of public transport. Sio kulipa madeni ama salary za watu wa kanjo. For a start, govt/kanjo (KRA returns,driving license applications, birth certificates, passports, land titles, id card applications) will just have to be forced to eat less parking fee by moving its "services" if we can call them that to the estates.Why should you travel to the CBD to apply for a passport, birth certificate, company registration or check out a land title? Move even the government owned markets outside the CBD (Marigiti, hio ya samaki hapo Koinange) Matatu routes will also have to be redesigned so that not all matatus end up in the CBD. Why should you go to the CBD if you are travelling from Pangani to Westlands? If redesigning routes is too politically hot and there has to be a central hub/terminal, place it well outside the CBD.
Ultimately, government owned (not government managed, hii sirkal iko na wazimu) rail based transport would have to come into play, linking the different sections of the city. Central hub iwe mbali na CBD pia. Rail lines designed in such a way that sio lazima kuingia CBD kama you have no business there. Government ownership will ensure that new areas are served by rail even when they are not commercially viable. Vehicle usage will then be limited to those who have to deliver viazi, mayai na mali zingine to the CBD and those who cannot bear to part with their vehicles. Personal, non business usage can then be taxed via congestion charges, toll roads etc. This is how big cities all over the world have solved their traffic problems, at the same time spreading development to wider urban areas.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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^^^^^ We'll if you don't know, there are trains that leave Thika for NRB daily, with stop overs along the route, just like there's a train that leaves Syokimau to NRB but we're too posh to get into those rusty stinky containers running on steam. 2. Its not that there are no plans on paper or some computer somewhere gathering dust on the Metro plan, its just that we as Kenyans are terribly poor at implementation http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=19356
3. Poor planning is the major problem. Walk around CBD and compare the office space vis a vis the parking, a total joke. We don't do scenario planning and think forward...investor.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=25097&p=3 On this thread, we're happy that we're bringing another 39 floors of concrete to the city, yes great, but that will bring in more cars and even tho the parking problem is taken care of and lets say City council takes away the side parking spots on Monrovia etc, these cars will still flow to Uhuru highway, and University way and eventually to Thika and Msa rd. 4. Satellite cities will be the solution. Not parking or further road expansion. We have to think out of the box called Nrb "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 304
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Very interesting debate here..... if i could also add my 2 cents into it think the solution would be a commuter railway as described in the image. https://pbs.twimg.com/me...R8J06IIAAQkec.jpg:large
Rail 1: Syokimau - JKIA - CBD - Westlands Rail 2: Kiserian - CBD - Juja Rail 3: Kiambu - CBD - Rongai South Rail 4: Kikuyu - CBD - Kitengela Simply put a "park and ride" system as suggested by a few earlier in the thread....this particular system would solve the issue of mass transportation if run properly. Other factors would be speed, security, efficiency of the schedule and a changed perception of public transport would be the critical keys to success in my opinion.....KPLC would also need to up their game to ensure a constant reliable supply of electricity if the trains used were electric. You dont have to be great to START but you have to start to be GREAT!!!!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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alutacontinua wrote:Very interesting debate here..... if i could also add my 2 cents into it think the solution would be a commuter railway as described in the image. https://pbs.twimg.com/me...R8J06IIAAQkec.jpg:large
Rail 1: Syokimau - JKIA - CBD - Westlands Rail 2: Kiserian - CBD - Juja Rail 3: Kiambu - CBD - Rongai South Rail 4: Kikuyu - CBD - Kitengela Simply put a "park and ride" system as suggested by a few earlier in the thread....this particular system would solve the issue of mass transportation if run properly. Other factors would be speed, security, efficiency of the schedule and a changed perception of public transport would be the critical keys to success in my opinion.....KPLC would also need to up their game to ensure a constant reliable supply of electricity if the trains used were electric. A REAL PIPE DREAM.BEAUTIFUL DREAM WHICH ONE CAN REMEMBER HOURS AFTER WAKING UP.  Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Impunity wrote:alutacontinua wrote:Very interesting debate here..... if i could also add my 2 cents into it think the solution would be a commuter railway as described in the image. https://pbs.twimg.com/me...R8J06IIAAQkec.jpg:large
Rail 1: Syokimau - JKIA - CBD - Westlands Rail 2: Kiserian - CBD - Juja Rail 3: Kiambu - CBD - Rongai South Rail 4: Kikuyu - CBD - Kitengela Simply put a "park and ride" system as suggested by a few earlier in the thread....this particular system would solve the issue of mass transportation if run properly. Other factors would be speed, security, efficiency of the schedule and a changed perception of public transport would be the critical keys to success in my opinion.....KPLC would also need to up their game to ensure a constant reliable supply of electricity if the trains used were electric. A REAL PIPE DREAM.BEAUTIFUL DREAM WHICH ONE CAN REMEMBER HOURS AFTER WAKING UP.  hope we get there. But gava seriously needs to improve rail transport. I looked at some of those wagons za commuters they look so rusty and dirty like kanjo toilets zamani. These middo class and mido class wannabe can never ride such
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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Who will kindly teach Kenyans Economics. Even if it is just at a basic level!!! Private cars are a HUGE deal to the Kenyan economy. For starters, for every private car you see on the road, the government pocketed a cool 500,000/= the minute it landed in Kenya in taxes!!! For every litre of fuel, the government pockets 30/= - never mind the fuel companies will pay income taxes plus other taxes in addition to this. Spare parts, taxes, same story. Take a walk along Kirinyaga Road, Industrial area and see the percentage of spare parts for matatus/buses and personal cars. Now lets go to the mechanics, car wash guys and associated businesses, garage owners, spare parts shop owners and employees etc. etc. Now you are telling me we mess all these up because people are TOO LAZY to think??? Basic Economics should be made compulsory starting from lower primary. The reasoning problems exhibited by our so called leaders are the same ones replicated on the "wananchi". Ban private vehicles... Ban Miraa Chewing at certain hours... Ban Drinking at certain hours... Limit Speed to 50km/h even on highways complete with pedestrian foot bridges... Lazy, Lazy Kenyans. Lazy solutions!!! People should start thinking. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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MaichBlack wrote:Who will kindly teach Kenyans Economics. Even if it is just at a basic level!!!
Private cars are a HUGE deal to the Kenyan economy.
For starters, for every private car you see on the road, the government pocketed a cool 500,000/= the minute it landed in Kenya in taxes!!! For every litre of fuel, the government pockets 30/= - never mind the fuel companies will pay income taxes plus other taxes in addition to this. Spare parts, taxes, same story. Take a walk along Kirinyaga Road, Industrial area and see the percentage of spare parts for matatus/buses and personal cars. Now lets go to the mechanics, car wash guys and associated businesses, garage owners, spare parts shop owners and employees etc. etc.
Now you are telling me we mess all these up because people are TOO LAZY to think???
Basic Economics should be made compulsory starting from lower primary. The reasoning problems exhibited by our so called leaders are the same ones replicated on the "wananchi".
Ban private vehicles...
Ban Miraa Chewing at certain hours...
Ban Drinking at certain hours...
Limit Speed to 50km/h even on highways complete with pedestrian foot bridges...
Lazy, Lazy Kenyans. Lazy solutions!!!
People should start thinking. We're waiting for your well researched paper on the economic effects of discouraging private cars or improving rail transport
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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Lolest! wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Who will kindly teach Kenyans Economics. Even if it is just at a basic level!!!
Private cars are a HUGE deal to the Kenyan economy.
For starters, for every private car you see on the road, the government pocketed a cool 500,000/= the minute it landed in Kenya in taxes!!! For every litre of fuel, the government pockets 30/= - never mind the fuel companies will pay income taxes plus other taxes in addition to this. Spare parts, taxes, same story. Take a walk along Kirinyaga Road, Industrial area and see the percentage of spare parts for matatus/buses and personal cars. Now lets go to the mechanics, car wash guys and associated businesses, garage owners, spare parts shop owners and employees etc. etc.
Now you are telling me we mess all these up because people are TOO LAZY to think???
Basic Economics should be made compulsory starting from lower primary. The reasoning problems exhibited by our so called leaders are the same ones replicated on the "wananchi".
Ban private vehicles...
Ban Miraa Chewing at certain hours...
Ban Drinking at certain hours...
Limit Speed to 50km/h even on highways complete with pedestrian foot bridges...
Lazy, Lazy Kenyans. Lazy solutions!!!
People should start thinking. We're waiting for your well researched paper on the economic effects of discouraging private cars or improving rail transport You expect people who don't understand basic economics and cannot read a simple book to read research papers??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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And by the way I understand there are cities with extremely high personal vehicle per capita where a family can have as many as three of four cars - with one being used by the house girl/nanny etc to run errands. And this is replicated by a majority of the families.The volume of cars can be crazy. Such cities have no option but to restrict movement especially given that they have efficient and reliable public transport. Come to Kenya and the number of personal cars is not even at 5% of adult population (let alone the total population) and you cannot come up with a creative solution? Ban, ban, ban!!! Nini hii??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:And by the way I understand there are cities with extremely high personal vehicle per capita where a family can have as many as three of four cars - with one being used by the house girl/nanny etc to run errands. And this is replicated by a majority of the families.The volume of cars can be crazy. Such cities have no option but to restrict movement especially given that they have efficient and reliable public transport.
Come to Kenya and the number of personal cars is not even at 5% of grown up population (let alone the total population) and you cannot come up with a creative solution? Ban, ban, ban!!! Nini hii??? I like your thought process ,should buy you a drink ,people are just afraid to think ,actually to forecast ,banning and raising fees never helps , all we are asking for is constructive ideas ,I cannot fathom leaving home on thika road headed to chaka rd and having to pass via cbd ..it's not my fault ,someone was paid to think ..and they failed . "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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