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Madness at the NSE
wukan
#2261 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2020 10:04:11 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!
Ericsson
#2262 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2020 1:53:29 PM
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wukan wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!


It won't end well for some people
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#2263 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2020 2:01:34 PM
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Location: NAIROBI
wukan wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!


Turnover in equity bank is nearly ksh.500mn
BAT is doing a turnover of ksh.384mn
Total turnover today in the NSE today might hit a bn shillings
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#2264 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2020 7:15:13 PM
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Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
wukan wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!


Turnover in equity bank is nearly ksh.500mn
BAT is doing a turnover of ksh.384mn
Total turnover today in the NSE today might hit a bn shillings

@wukan interest rate for a FIXED deposit can be reduced prior to maturity?

KQ ABP 4.26
wukan
#2265 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2020 3:37:08 PM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
wukan wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!


Turnover in equity bank is nearly ksh.500mn
BAT is doing a turnover of ksh.384mn
Total turnover today in the NSE today might hit a bn shillings

@wukan interest rate for a FIXED deposit can be reduced prior to maturity?


@obiero it was renewal after maturity.
VituVingiSana
#2266 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2020 9:04:53 PM
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Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
wukan wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Madness at the moment.
KCB and Equity printing 40+ and doing +20% gains in a week as the economy limpsd'oh!


There's lot of liquidity around. My bank reduced my fixed depo rate to 6.5%. It made no sense better to take risk on 10% yield on KCB and some capital gains.

There will tears at some point but for now madness is backd'oh!


Turnover in equity bank is nearly ksh.500mn
BAT is doing a turnover of ksh.384mn
Total turnover today in the NSE today might hit a bn shillings

@wukan interest rate for a FIXED deposit can be reduced prior to maturity?


@obiero it was renewal after maturity.
Look at T-Bills though you need to open an account at CBK.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
wukan
#2267 Posted : Friday, May 08, 2020 10:00:51 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Look at T-Bills though you need to open an account at CBK.


No thanks.
GoK treasury has too many problems like the PYTs I date. Living large and providing pathetic services

Quote:
First, the fact that the National Treasury is warming up to such an idea exposes a dire state of public finances, which could easily spook investors and probably trigger a sovereign credit ratings downgrade. But most importantly, it amounts to a reverse default by the Kenyan government, and introduces an element of credit risk on all government debt, which, in turn, will mean that financial institutions must now hold capital against any exposures. I don’t think they are ready for such a scenario.


Quote:
Somehow, the Government will need to print itself out of current crisis, and this is just one side of the coin. The other side of the coin, captured in my article titled “Virus calls for extraordinary monetary rescue initiatives”, lays out a case for the central bank role in bailing out the fiscus to the tune of Sh150 billion.

Section 46 of the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) Act allows the apex bank to make direct advances to the national government for offsetting fluctuations between receipts from the budgeted revenue and payments of the government.


https://www.businessdail...545684-57qpr0/index.html
lochaz-index
#2268 Posted : Friday, May 08, 2020 10:21:07 AM
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wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Look at T-Bills though you need to open an account at CBK.


No thanks.
GoK treasury has too many problems like the PYTs I date. Living large and providing pathetic services

Quote:
First, the fact that the National Treasury is warming up to such an idea exposes a dire state of public finances, which could easily spook investors and probably trigger a sovereign credit ratings downgrade. But most importantly, it amounts to a reverse default by the Kenyan government, and introduces an element of credit risk on all government debt, which, in turn, will mean that financial institutions must now hold capital against any exposures. I don’t think they are ready for such a scenario.


Quote:
Somehow, the Government will need to print itself out of current crisis, and this is just one side of the coin. The other side of the coin, captured in my article titled “Virus calls for extraordinary monetary rescue initiatives”, lays out a case for the central bank role in bailing out the fiscus to the tune of Sh150 billion.

Section 46 of the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) Act allows the apex bank to make direct advances to the national government for offsetting fluctuations between receipts from the budgeted revenue and payments of the government.


https://www.businessdail...45684-57qpr0/index.html

I wouldn't touch any government paper in KE or elsewhere for a long time to come. With this pandemic, governments have overplayed their hand and the chickens will come home to roost either in the short, medium or long term - perhaps all three in some cases - and I wouldn't want to be caught anywhere near that mess. That also implies re-evaluating stock holdings like banks with high exposure to sovereign debt.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
aemathenge
#2269 Posted : Friday, May 08, 2020 10:36:31 AM
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lochaz-index wrote:
I wouldn't touch any government paper in KE or elsewhere for a long time to come.

With this pandemic, governments have overplayed their hand and the chickens will come home to roost either in the short, medium or long term - perhaps all three in some cases - and I wouldn't want to be caught anywhere near that mess.

That also implies re-evaluating stock holdings like banks with high exposure to sovereign debt.


First, without your permission or consent, I am stealing the line:

"GoK treasury has too many problems like the PYTs I date. Living large and providing pathetic services"

Second, woooiiiee would you be so kind and point out the banking stocks that are "high exposure to sovereign debt"? Woooiiieee please.
Monk
#2270 Posted : Friday, May 08, 2020 11:26:53 AM
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Posts: 272
aemathenge wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
I wouldn't touch any government paper in KE or elsewhere for a long time to come.

With this pandemic, governments have overplayed their hand and the chickens will come home to roost either in the short, medium or long term - perhaps all three in some cases - and I wouldn't want to be caught anywhere near that mess.

That also implies re-evaluating stock holdings like banks with high exposure to sovereign debt.


First, without your permission or consent, I am stealing the line:

"GoK treasury has too many problems like the PYTs I date. Living large and providing pathetic services"

Second, woooiiiee would you be so kind and point out the banking stocks that are "high exposure to sovereign debt"? Woooiiieee please.



I imagine most of them. Recently released 2019 financials by KCB and SCBK....

https://kcbgroup.com/wp-...ation-published-min.pdf

https://av.sc.com/ke/con...esults-presentation.pdf


...unless between December 2019 and now, they've significantly reduced their government paper holdings, following the rate cap repeal.
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