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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,220 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,349 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,220 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,349 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week  I rather you do not but it is your money. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,220 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week I rather you do not but it is your money. Once I commit to a course, I don't stop. Thanks for the attempt to dissuade.. I know fair value is KES 12, but will consider jumping out at any price above KES 7, which will print before end of this year ceteris paribus. Bookmark this
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week I rather you do not but it is your money. Once I commit to a course, I don't stop. Thanks for the attempt to dissuade.. I know fair value is KES 12, but will consider jumping out at any price above KES 7, which will print before end of this year ceteris paribus. Bookmark this “It's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price.” - Warren Buffet HF is not even a fair company, it is a rubbish company. The 600k you are about to spend is an expensive education in investing. Please buy Safaricom instead.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,220 Location: nairobi
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My 2 cents wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week I rather you do not but it is your money. Once I commit to a course, I don't stop. Thanks for the attempt to dissuade.. I know fair value is KES 12, but will consider jumping out at any price above KES 7, which will print before end of this year ceteris paribus. Bookmark this “It's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price.” - Warren Buffet HF is not even a fair company, it is a rubbish company. The 600k you are about to spend is an expensive education in investing. Please buy Safaricom instead. Let's meet here God willing in December 2022
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obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:piedpiper wrote:HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns. Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale. He's waiting for a buyout. More like imminent buyout The exchange bar knows a lot In advising people to buy dead companies Hehe. Time and tide respect no man. You cant stop the rain. Watch and learn sidian was bought at 4.3b for 83% which values sidian @5b. The valuation was arrived at using “a price-to-book multiple of 1.1x based on the audited 31 March 2022 shareholders’ equity of Sidian,” Access Bank said in a regulatory filing by its parent company on Wednesday seen by PREMIUM TIMES. Total assets around 43b. How does that compare with housing finance which is bigger than sidian. I understand there are some banks conducting due diligence what should we expect if the same valuation metric is applied. Sidian makes a higher profit than Housing Finance. Sidian was in compliance with all statutory ratios while HFCK is in breach Jibu swali, what is the asset size of HF vs Sidian Even if the BS is larger the reality is that the NET ASSETS is what matters. Add to that the QUALITY of the assets. Buyers will not pay full price for loans that are in default. HF probably comes with a lot of baggage and needs a lot of fresh capital to buttress the coming NPLs and Provisions as the economy keeps hurting. Good luck! Asante big brother. I need all the luck as I am looking to buy an extra 200,000 shares by next week I rather you do not but it is your money. Once I commit to a course, I don't stop. Thanks for the attempt to dissuade.. I know fair value is KES 12, but will consider jumping out at any price above KES 7, which will print before end of this year ceteris paribus. Bookmark this “It's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price.” - Warren Buffet HF is not even a fair company, it is a rubbish company. The 600k you are about to spend is an expensive education in investing. Please buy Safaricom instead. Let's meet here God willing in December 2022 Jubilee killed the small banks with rate caps. It will take a decade before the small banks can thrive again. Life is short. Live passionately.
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