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VituVingiSana wrote:@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"?
BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] You only need the stem. Simply talk to the guys who hawk cane on the streets. Once you have 2 to 3 stems, they will germinate and you have enough suckers to last a life time. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@VVs, Extraction of juice from mill cane is extra-ordinary difficulty even with the best crushers. The "finest" and well crushed cane by-product (Bagasse) will still have moisture in the region of 50% water. I really doubt there is a mill in Kenya which attains that and i think i would be right to put it that, our mills average would be 52% moisture content. At 48% moisture content, that would be a champion mill and this has been attained by mills in Mauritius, Australia,Brazil and SA. No more!. Let's get back to our domestic crusher!!!........You would be lucky to extract 15% of juice in cane for all your trouble! @Sparkly, I think you are already answered. Mill cane crushing for sugar is crude,labour intensive,dirty and generally a very expensive affair. If you invested in crushers like msc but for the purposes of bottling juice, you would never recover your investment unless you sold a bottle at the price of Mercury. Below is a juice producing machine which would cost you not more than Kshs 200,000. Compare that with a tandem the size of MSC which would cost you over Kshs 30 billion  A de-watering mill. On the foreground is a 22 MPa Dresserand hydraulic set. A cane factory with a diffuser would require 2 or 3 of this. A traditional tandem mil will have 4 or 5 of those. Nobody is going to waste his money this way simply because you are thirsty of cane juice.  The juice machine will produce "bagasse" that looks like this  While tandem crushers will give you this.  Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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Gatheuzi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"?
BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] You only need the stem. Simply talk to the guys who hawk cane on the streets. Once you have 2 to 3 stems, they will germinate and you have enough suckers to last a life time. Some sugarcane I have eaten [sold on the streets] has a nice/mild sweet taste but then there is the "sour" tasting cane as well. I don't want to grow the latter just the former. Not the "sweet-heavy" taste but the "sweet-light" taste. I know words can't describe what I mean! I have also had sugarcane juice (without any additives) that has a sour/bitter taste. Hence my question re: cane seeds. I want quality cane I can chew. I saw a "cheap" [not as efficient as Njunge's 30bn machines!] crusher that I would buy for my use. Are there ("domestic") crushers that can multi-task for other fruits? I have cut down on sodas and want to eliminate them completely from my fridge. The so-called juices on the shelves are hardly 40% juice. Many are very expensive at 200/- (or more) per liter so I want to make my own. No sugar or preservatives added! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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VituVingiSana wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"?
BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] You only need the stem. Simply talk to the guys who hawk cane on the streets. Once you have 2 to 3 stems, they will germinate and you have enough suckers to last a life time. Some sugarcane I have eaten [sold on the streets] has a nice/mild sweet taste but then there is the "sour" tasting cane as well. I don't want to grow the latter just the former. Not the "sweet-heavy" taste but the "sweet-light" taste. I know words can't describe what I mean! I have also had sugarcane juice (without any additives) that has a sour/bitter taste. Hence my question re: cane seeds. I want quality cane I can chew. I saw a "cheap" [not as efficient as Njunge's 30bn machines!] crusher that I would buy for my use. Are there ("domestic") crushers that can multi-task for other fruits? I have cut down on sodas and want to eliminate them completely from my fridge. The so-called juices on the shelves are hardly 40% juice. Many are very expensive at 200/- (or more) per liter so I want to make my own. No sugar or preservatives added! Which variety do you want from these: Nigeria, Palu, Bookers, Kaa ngumu varieties.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"?
BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] You only need the stem. Simply talk to the guys who hawk cane on the streets. Once you have 2 to 3 stems, they will germinate and you have enough suckers to last a life time. Some sugarcane I have eaten [sold on the streets] has a nice/mild sweet taste but then there is the "sour" tasting cane as well. I don't want to grow the latter just the former. Not the "sweet-heavy" taste but the "sweet-light" taste. I know words can't describe what I mean! I have also had sugarcane juice (without any additives) that has a sour/bitter taste. Hence my question re: cane seeds. I want quality cane I can chew. I saw a "cheap" [not as efficient as Njunge's 30bn machines!] crusher that I would buy for my use. Are there ("domestic") crushers that can multi-task for other fruits? I have cut down on sodas and want to eliminate them completely from my fridge. The so-called juices on the shelves are hardly 40% juice. Many are very expensive at 200/- (or more) per liter so I want to make my own. No sugar or preservatives added! Which variety do you want from these: Nigeria, Palu, Bookers, Kaa ngumu varieties. I don't know the name of the variety. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:mawinder wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"?
BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] You only need the stem. Simply talk to the guys who hawk cane on the streets. Once you have 2 to 3 stems, they will germinate and you have enough suckers to last a life time. Some sugarcane I have eaten [sold on the streets] has a nice/mild sweet taste but then there is the "sour" tasting cane as well. I don't want to grow the latter just the former. Not the "sweet-heavy" taste but the "sweet-light" taste. I know words can't describe what I mean! I have also had sugarcane juice (without any additives) that has a sour/bitter taste. Hence my question re: cane seeds. I want quality cane I can chew. I saw a "cheap" [not as efficient as Njunge's 30bn machines!] crusher that I would buy for my use. Are there ("domestic") crushers that can multi-task for other fruits? I have cut down on sodas and want to eliminate them completely from my fridge. The so-called juices on the shelves are hardly 40% juice. Many are very expensive at 200/- (or more) per liter so I want to make my own. No sugar or preservatives added! Which variety do you want from these: Nigeria, Palu, Bookers, Kaa ngumu varieties. I don't know the name of the variety. Look for the sweet, soft, juicy variety. Remember to attack the base. Sugarcane is sweetest at the base. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@VVs, What Mawinder describes above are varieties of cane mostly used by sugar millers. Not the chewable type you are looking for. Let's say there are over 30 varieties of cane but again, they are classified into 3 categories namely, chewing cane, Chrystal cane and syrup cane. If i am not wrong, the variety you are looking for (sweet/sweet) is called Noble but i must also add that, 2 other varieties namely, Home Green and Georgia Red are equally good. I actually prefer Georgia Red in that it has extra long nods and therefore peeling with your teeth is quite easy. It's a little tough though, unlike Noble. There aren't many people who can point out for you the various varieties and as someone put it here (Georgia Red is exceptional since it has a red/brown/maroon skin and so you should identify it easily), go out and sample,then pick your seedlings from the stock you chose. I hope this helps. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Njung'e wrote:@VVs,
What Mawinder describes above are varieties of cane mostly used by sugar millers. Not the chewable type you are looking for. Let's say the are over 30 varieties of cane but again, they are classified into 3 categories namely, chewing cane, Chrystal cane and syrup cane. If i am not wrong, the variety you are looking for (sweet/sweet) is called Noble but i must also add that, 2 other varieties namely, Home Green and Georgia Red are equally good. I actually prefer Georgia Red in that it has extra long nods and therefore peeling with your teeth is quite easy. It's a little tough though, unlike Noble. There aren't many people who can point for you this varieties and as someone put it here, go out and sample,then pick your seedlings for the stock you chose. I hope this helps. They are also chewable. I used to chew them when I served as a cane cutter after completing my studies. However fellows like VVS may not be able to chew the cane I described.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/6/2013 Posts: 95
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sparkly wrote:Njung'e wrote:@Cashflow, Maybe my point did not come out clearly. The hard part about cane comes when you are crushing it. As it is, small hand driven or motor driven household crushers will do fine if you were making juice for human consumption.They have no capacity to crush hard cane and as such, you would require mill house crushers. Normal mill crushers are heavy duty and some are meant to pass as much as 380 tonnes of cane per hour. Where do you start?. Cane knives, pound the cane using heavy duty hammers, shred (the smallest shredder i have seen weighs not less than 6 tonnes and has to be run at speeds of between 6500 to 8500 revs per minute!  . Most, are steam driven even though technology is bringing in VFDs), scald using steam in the region of 180 degrees C (You would require a scalder and hence a medium pressure boiler of minimum 22TPH) and carry out diffusing (Here, you decant and lime) before passing your megasse through mill tandems to extract juice. Now, your hand crusher does not require all the said cane prep steps to get your juice.After cane prep comes de-watering and here you require mills running alongside HP hydraulics capable of delivering crushing pressure in the region of 20-30 MPa.In a nutshell, cane preparation is heavy duty machinery,capital and labour intensive. Let's not go to the maintenance and running costs...........really, being an engineer, you should already be seeing the impracticality!.....It's like hiring an FH lorry to transport 2 bags of maize from Mombasa to Nairobi! Juice is an intermediary product in sugar manufacture. @Cashflow's question is why the juice cannot be bottled and sold to those who like sugarcane juice @sparkly, that is the question am precisely asking. Forget the technicalities as most of these arguments don't add up. Like when one says that the current crashers at mumias would produce less juice if it went the juice way than it does sugar thus comparing a FH lorry carrying 2bags. Monopoly was the industrial age money game and the name of the new game of money today in the information age is CASHFLOW
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