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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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CASHFLOW202 wrote:Someone help me here, are sugar factories forbidden by law from selling sugar cane juice? The sweetest juice with high margins not to mention healthier especially when twisted with ginger, lime, cinnamon... It's production cuts all the huge cost of dehydration to produce crystal sugars. Good thinking right there. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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CASHFLOW202 wrote:Someone help me here, are sugar factories forbidden by law from selling sugar cane juice? The sweetest juice with high margins not to mention healthier especially when twisted with ginger, lime, cinnamon... It's production cuts all the huge cost of dehydration to produce crystal sugars. Knowing Kenyans, they would ferment the sugar cane juice and get drunk! Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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kaka2za wrote:CASHFLOW202 wrote:Someone help me here, are sugar factories forbidden by law from selling sugar cane juice? The sweetest juice with high margins not to mention healthier especially when twisted with ginger, lime, cinnamon... It's production cuts all the huge cost of dehydration to produce crystal sugars. Knowing Kenyans, they would ferment the sugar cane juice and get drunk!  ....I shouldn't be laughing though and so lemme pass some knowledge to CashFlow and all. Mill cane is not your kawaida variety that you see being sold on the streets. Nah!!....It's basically more tougher and hardly good for chewing. Two, mill sugar comes to the mills accompanied by all manner of trash, takataka,sand and even small animals. There are no chances of eliminating this rubbish before crushing but once turned into juice, decanting and liming is carried out to eliminate some of this unwanted stuff plus poisons. Three, juice deteriorates very fast as it is easily attacked by a bacteria which "eats" the sugar thus turning it in fine sugars (Glucose and fructose). It also ferments quite easily and within 24 hours, you would not want your nostrils anywhere around fermenting juice. Finally, of course many mills churn out tonnes and tonnes of juice (The biggest mill in Kenya can pass through close to 9000 tonnes of juice per day). I don't know who would drink all that juice without drowning Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/6/2013 Posts: 95
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Njung'e wrote:kaka2za wrote:CASHFLOW202 wrote:Someone help me here, are sugar factories forbidden by law from selling sugar cane juice? The sweetest juice with high margins not to mention healthier especially when twisted with ginger, lime, cinnamon... It's production cuts all the huge cost of dehydration to produce crystal sugars. Knowing Kenyans, they would ferment the sugar cane juice and get drunk!  ....I shouldn't be laughing though and so lemme pass some knowledge to CashFlow and all. Mill cane is not your kawaida variety that you see being sold on the streets. Nah!!....It's basically more tougher and hardly good for chewing. Two, mill sugar comes to the mills accompanied by all manner of trash, takataka,sand and even small animals. There are no chances of eliminating this rubbish before crushing but once turned into juice, decanting and liming is carried out to eliminate some of this unwanted stuff plus poisons. Three, juice deteriorates very fast as it is easily attacked by a bacteria which "eats" the sugar thus turning it in fine sugars (Glucose and fructose). It also ferments quite easily and within 24 hours, you would not want your nostrils anywhere around fermenting juice. Finally, of course many mills churn out tonnes and tonnes of juice (The biggest mill in Kenya can pass through close to 9000 tonnes of juice per day). I don't know who would drink all that juice without drowning @Njunge,am an industrial engineer so the argument of, one the sugarcane is very hard than others is not true, you always see boys steal a can from the tractors on their way to factory, what do they do with it? Otherwise it's the fresh juicy canes that is important irrespective of its hardness. Second,the juice after crashing is cleansed of trash by decanting, filtering,liming...... but the real trick to produce juice is triple filtration and to eliminate bacteria is through pasteurization or carbonation. Milk deteriorate faster than sugar juice yet we have long life milk so, that point does not hold water since a simple preservative like sorboate is used. The more juice one can produce the better but my point is, mumias was selling bottled water which failed tremendously. Just think if it was the juice. If the government sell the mill to individuals investors and I bought it. This juice would be my first product to roll out. Monopoly was the industrial age money game and the name of the new game of money today in the information age is CASHFLOW
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/6/2013 Posts: 95
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kaka2za wrote:CASHFLOW202 wrote:Someone help me here, are sugar factories forbidden by law from selling sugar cane juice? The sweetest juice with high margins not to mention healthier especially when twisted with ginger, lime, cinnamon... It's production cuts all the huge cost of dehydration to produce crystal sugars. Knowing Kenyans, they would ferment the sugar cane juice and get drunk! The normal sugar is the main ingredient in local brewing /fermentation so either way it's a vice that the juice does not promote or reduce. Monopoly was the industrial age money game and the name of the new game of money today in the information age is CASHFLOW
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Mumias chairman Dan Ameyo finally resigns
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Cashflow, Maybe my point did not come out clearly. The hard part about cane comes when you are crushing it. As it is, small hand driven or motor driven household crushers will do fine if you were making juice for human consumption.They have no capacity to crush hard cane and as such, you would require mill house crushers. Normal mill crushers are heavy duty and some are meant to pass as much as 380 tonnes of cane per hour. Where do you start?. Cane knives, pound the cane using heavy duty hammers, shred (the smallest shredder i have seen weighs not less than 6 tonnes and has to be run at speeds of between 6500 to 8500 revs per minute!  . Most, are steam driven even though technology is bringing in VFDs), scald using steam in the region of 180 degrees C (You would require a scalder and hence a medium pressure boiler of minimum 22TPH) and carry out diffusing (Here, you decant and lime) before passing your megasse through mill tandems to extract juice. Now, your hand crusher does not require all the said cane prep steps to get your juice.After cane prep comes de-watering and here you require mills running alongside HP hydraulics capable of delivering crushing pressure in the region of 20-30 MPa.In a nutshell, cane preparation is heavy duty machinery,capital and labour intensive. Let's not go to the maintenance and running costs...........really, being an engineer, you should already be seeing the impracticality!.....It's like hiring an FH lorry to transport 2 bags of maize from Mombasa to Nairobi! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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@Njunge - Asante. I take it that the cane (post-crushing) is completely squeezed of all "juice"? BTW, where can I buy sugarcane seeds/plantings? [For the juice. Domestic consumption. I want o plant some in Naivasha where it is hot and dry] Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Njung'e wrote:@Cashflow, Maybe my point did not come out clearly. The hard part about cane comes when you are crushing it. As it is, small hand driven or motor driven household crushers will do fine if you were making juice for human consumption.They have no capacity to crush hard cane and as such, you would require mill house crushers. Normal mill crushers are heavy duty and some are meant to pass as much as 380 tonnes of cane per hour. Where do you start?. Cane knives, pound the cane using heavy duty hammers, shred (the smallest shredder i have seen weighs not less than 6 tonnes and has to be run at speeds of between 6500 to 8500 revs per minute!  . Most, are steam driven even though technology is bringing in VFDs), scald using steam in the region of 180 degrees C (You would require a scalder and hence a medium pressure boiler of minimum 22TPH) and carry out diffusing (Here, you decant and lime) before passing your megasse through mill tandems to extract juice. Now, your hand crusher does not require all the said cane prep steps to get your juice.After cane prep comes de-watering and here you require mills running alongside HP hydraulics capable of delivering crushing pressure in the region of 20-30 MPa.In a nutshell, cane preparation is heavy duty machinery,capital and labour intensive. Let's not go to the maintenance and running costs...........really, being an engineer, you should already be seeing the impracticality!.....It's like hiring an FH lorry to transport 2 bags of maize from Mombasa to Nairobi! Juice is an intermediary product in sugar manufacture. @Cashflow's question is why the juice cannot be bottled and sold to those who like sugarcane juice Life is short. Live passionately.
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