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Law Capping interest rates
winston
#2101 Posted : Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:27:25 AM
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maka wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
winston wrote:
Government is playing the see no evil, hear no evil card on this rate capping monster. Bleed as the economy may; credit squeeze as the banks may - nothing is moving Government on this in the short term.

As soon as the elections are behind us, the obvious, long overdue corrective action will be taken.
In the meantime, the economy may as well bleed all it wants, as in 'their' books, politics takes priority.


The change is the one that will kill the economy...defaults will be the order of the day the economy will crumble.

by defaults...are you referring to bank loans? if so werent they there pre-rate capping?
winston
#2102 Posted : Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:56:40 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#2103 Posted : Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:11:22 PM
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[quote=winston]More voices for change:

http://www.businessdaily...1940-s21gyaz/index.html[/quote]

Do SME's have lobby groups, it would be nice to hear some of them saying they want the cap removed so they can get loans and pay at 25% interest.

Otherwise, its always about banks this banks that.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
winston
#2104 Posted : Friday, July 07, 2017 3:54:40 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=winston]More voices for change:

http://www.businessdaily...1940-s21gyaz/index.html[/quote]

Do SME's have lobby groups, it would be nice to hear some of them saying they want the cap removed so they can get loans and pay at 25% interest.

Otherwise, its always about banks this banks that.


Havent heard of a lobby group specifically for SME's.

I tend to think that the lack of choice is the issue though. If am in an enterprise and I can generate a 35% return, there is no reason why I cant afford a 25% interest loan. But as its stands now, while the loan maximum rate is 14%, the nature of enterprise may be too risky for the banks to loan me at 14%. So my business opportunity stays unexploited...while the banks stay with their money (or park it in T/bonds). In net terms am the greater loser.

What is sad is that probably the SME's together with the informal sector are the biggest employers (outside of government)...and they are the ones taking the hit.
tom_boy
#2105 Posted : Friday, July 07, 2017 5:20:47 PM
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winston wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=winston]More voices for change:

http://www.businessdaily...1940-s21gyaz/index.html[/quote]

Do SME's have lobby groups, it would be nice to hear some of them saying they want the cap removed so they can get loans and pay at 25% interest.

Otherwise, its always about banks this banks that.


Havent heard of a lobby group specifically for SME's.

I tend to think that the lack of choice is the issue though. If am in an enterprise and I can generate a 35% return, there is no reason why I cant afford a 25% interest loan. But as its stands now, while the loan maximum rate is 14%, the nature of enterprise may be too risky for the banks to loan me at 14%. So my business opportunity stays unexploited...while the banks stay with their money (or park it in T/bonds). In net terms am the greater loser.

What is sad is that probably the SME's together with the informal sector are the biggest employers (outside of government)...and they are the ones taking the hit.


Rate cap is very good for business. All those guys complaining are either shylocks, tenderprenuers ,startups or owners of loss making enterprises having a rough time convincing banks to loan them anything. Initially banks would loan to these guys because they only had to pay back for a year or so and the bank would have recouped the principle almost in entirety. Sasa at 4% spread, that is history.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
winston
#2106 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 11:36:40 AM
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@tomboy...loans are not meant only for the strong and stable companies. Infact those very startups and loss making companies are the ones that need the loans most.
We can argue but bottom line is the intention of government is good. But banks have successfully frustrated that intention. And those who need loans have no other recourse other than to get funds outside the formal system.
obiero
#2107 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:59:47 PM
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winston wrote:
@tomboy...loans are not meant only for the strong and stable companies. Infact those very startups and loss making companies are the ones that need the loans most.
We can argue but bottom line is the intention of government is good. But banks have successfully frustrated that intention. And those who need loans have no other recourse other than to get funds outside the formal system.

@winston you actually had time to respond to @tomboy

winston
#2108 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:53:40 PM
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obiero wrote:
winston wrote:
@tomboy...loans are not meant only for the strong and stable companies. Infact those very startups and loss making companies are the ones that need the loans most.
We can argue but bottom line is the intention of government is good. But banks have successfully frustrated that intention. And those who need loans have no other recourse other than to get funds outside the formal system.

@winston you actually had time to respond to @tomboy

@obiero..lol
tom_boy
#2109 Posted : Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:05:54 AM
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winston wrote:
@tomboy...loans are not meant only for the strong and stable companies. Infact those very startups and loss making companies are the ones that need the loans most.
We can argue but bottom line is the intention of government is good. But banks have successfully frustrated that intention. And those who need loans have no other recourse other than to get funds outside the formal system.


Its not about who needs loans. Its about ability to repay.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#2110 Posted : Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:21:04 AM
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tom_boy wrote:
winston wrote:
@tomboy...loans are not meant only for the strong and stable companies. Infact those very startups and loss making companies are the ones that need the loans most.
We can argue but bottom line is the intention of government is good. But banks have successfully frustrated that intention. And those who need loans have no other recourse other than to get funds outside the formal system.


Its not about who needs loans. Its about ability to repay.


You dont hire people that need jobs. You hire people who can perform the tasks required of them. With M- Akiba bond + pesalink, the banks will get squeezed even further. If Govt does not give in to undue pressure from those already looting from banks, the banks will have to style up and do proper lending.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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