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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/11/2014 Posts: 16
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Maich,all experts in urban planning recommend public transport to solve traffic menace. London is the best example. You pay 11.5 pounds just to access cbd with a price car during rush hours (congestion charge). Expanding roads is a futile exercise; thika rd is the best testimony.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2013 Posts: 386 Location: Nyali mombasa
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problem with Thika road is in the CBD
1.koja round about is one of this
2.make Kirinyaga road a one way road draining thika road
3.Moi avenues is also one one big mess because of the matatu stages
move all stages to the small roads like the accra road up country stage,
Githurai stage causes all the jam on racecourse,
4Those bumps on thika road are a great put off.
5.The underpasses like the ones of TRM,Kimbo, githurai,Kahawa are sometimes very messy, I don't know why.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do people always have lazy solutions to everything?
Banning private cars from the CBD is as lazy as they come!! How many cars do we have in Nairobi? Some of the cities people are alluding to here have more cars than the entire population (people) of Kenya!
There many other solutions that would not include banning private cars or increasing parking fee even further. People only need to think. But that doesn't happen a lot in Kenya! What should be the solution? Why is CBD congested? People driving round in circles looking for parking - sometimes for an hour plus. Solution? High rise and underground parking owned and managed by the County. And I am talking about Japan style parking. Locate four of the parking lots in different corners of the CBD (a couple inside CBD). Charge the same parking fee as street parking and issue the same receipts so that even if I am in the CBD for an hour then drive to Westlands I don't have to pay again. Have those parking lots/buildings installed with CCTV cameras with a manned observation centre making them more secure than the streets. This will encourage people to park there. After you have done that, improve public transport. High speed trains, trams etc. Let people VOLUNTEER to use public transport. And this is easy. If one can get into a train or tram and have a safe and comfortable ride and get into town in 15 minutes, he would surely prefer that mode of transport if he is one of those fellows who are in the office 8 - 5. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Lolest! wrote:Fyatu wrote:The problem with this country Kenya is government cannot implement policy. What they have done in Dar is that instead of putting up more lanes they have put a lane dedicated to massive buses complete with bustops....where the buses operate on schedule like KBS used to operate in the 80's. No dala dala will be going to town once this project is complete. Stage ya mwisho ni ubungo (12kms from Dar CBD)
Here in Kenya its all talk and no action and most of it hogwash eti oh Nairobi is the biggest city in EA/modern city blah blah blah
Kidero's solution to the mess is basi ya gorofa kwanza to be operated by city hoppa...woi...Nairobians kwisha and now Sonko and Waititu are feuding for the sit ambayo tayari Kidero amekalia.
Are Matatu owners association bigger than Government? Who does the Govt. serve?? wana-ninchi or Matatu owners association?
eti if we do away with Mats the youth will loose jobs and resort to crime. Employ them as policemen or NYS Personal cars are the elephant in the room, buddy! Tuko KCC sasa? these are vehicles coming to congest a road in your city/town. Blaming matatus is easy to do, but just look at that 33 seater next to you in traffic. If each of those guys chose to drive to work instead of using public means you'd extend the time spent in traffic by a couple of more minutes Work on alternative means like rail and discouraging use of personal cars. Matatu sector is an issue but a minor one. Ever wondered why traffic is heaviest during matatu strikes?? Yes indeed you are right. I read somewhere (sina link) that Kenyans import 10,000 cars per month or something of the sorts. After some thought, i concur with fellow wazuans who have opined that hefty charges be introduced to deter people from using personal cars in CBD. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,845
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Good point @speculz. All along I was very sure they would do an overpass from Ngara towards Moi Avenue/University way. Shock on me!!! They took all that traffic and poured it onto a roundabout serving vehicles from town, Westlands and the whole of West of Kenya. And to make matters worse, almost all vehicles (especially public vehicles) from Westlands, Western, Kitale, Nakuru, wherever (the list is endless) have to use the same round about!!! Reminds me of a teacher in High School who used to state with authority, "Common sense is not common!!!" Whoever designed the road - or that section could not see the obvious??? They should have done at least three levels at Globe like they did in pangani. Normal level, underpass, Overpass. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/16/2006 Posts: 3 Location: NAIROBI
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MaichBlack wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do people always have lazy solutions to everything?
Banning private cars from the CBD is as lazy as they come!! How many cars do we have in Nairobi? Some of the cities people are alluding to here have more cars than the entire population (people) of Kenya!
There many other solutions that would not include banning private cars or increasing parking fee even further. People only need to think. But that doesn't happen a lot in Kenya! What should be the solution? Why is CBD congested? People driving round in circles looking for parking - sometimes for an hour plus. Solution? High rise and underground parking owned and managed by the County. And I am talking about Japan style parking. Locate four of the parking lots in different corners of the CBD (a couple inside CBD). Charge the same parking fee as street parking and issue the same receipts so that even if I am in the CBD for an hour then drive to Westlands I don't have to pay again. Have those parking lots/buildings installed with CCTV cameras with a manned observation centre making them more secure than the streets. This will encourage people to park there. After you have done that, improve public transport. High speed trains, trams etc. Let people VOLUNTEER to use public transport. And this is easy. If one can get into a train or tram and have a safe and comfortable ride and get into town in 15 minutes, he would surely prefer that mode of transport if he is one of those fellows who are in the office 8 - 5. The current status of Thika road is really wanting, by 6am Jam is building at Safari park. Every body want to leave early, we need trains, more roads, more trafic cops, footbridges etc before the outering road is done and all the vehicles pour to the superhighway taking us back to where we were when it was a two lanes... Since all this may take eternity, why then dont we make easy to get to CBD for now, at least we see how it can work. During rush hrs, all the private vehicles should use the service lane (they are 2 lanes anyway) while the PSV use the superhighway itself.(There are 4 lanes, one can cater for stages at different points, that way thousands of commuters will be getting to town faster and cheaper.....creating an incentive for PSV while not limiting private vehicles access to CBD..........
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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so wrote:MaichBlack wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do people always have lazy solutions to everything?
Banning private cars from the CBD is as lazy as they come!! How many cars do we have in Nairobi? Some of the cities people are alluding to here have more cars than the entire population (people) of Kenya!
There many other solutions that would not include banning private cars or increasing parking fee even further. People only need to think. But that doesn't happen a lot in Kenya! What should be the solution? Why is CBD congested? People driving round in circles looking for parking - sometimes for an hour plus. Solution? High rise and underground parking owned and managed by the County. And I am talking about Japan style parking. Locate four of the parking lots in different corners of the CBD (a couple inside CBD). Charge the same parking fee as street parking and issue the same receipts so that even if I am in the CBD for an hour then drive to Westlands I don't have to pay again. Have those parking lots/buildings installed with CCTV cameras with a manned observation centre making them more secure than the streets. This will encourage people to park there. After you have done that, improve public transport. High speed trains, trams etc. Let people VOLUNTEER to use public transport. And this is easy. If one can get into a train or tram and have a safe and comfortable ride and get into town in 15 minutes, he would surely prefer that mode of transport if he is one of those fellows who are in the office 8 - 5. The current status of Thika road is really wanting, by 6am Jam is building at Safari park. Every body want to leave early, we need trains, more roads, more trafic cops, footbridges etc before the outering road is done and all the vehicles pour to the superhighway taking us back to where we were when it was a two lanes... Since all this may take eternity, why then dont we make easy to get to CBD for now, at least we see how it can work. During rush hrs, all the private vehicles should use the service lane (they are 2 lanes anyway) while the PSV use the superhighway itself.(There are 4 lanes, one can cater for stages at different points, that way thousands of commuters will be getting to town faster and cheaper.....creating an incentive for PSV while not limiting private vehicles access to CBD.......... Are you serious? If you are then its absurd , so according to your solution, where will the private cars end up? "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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MaichBlack wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do people always have lazy solutions to everything?
Banning private cars from the CBD is as lazy as they come!! How many cars do we have in Nairobi? Some of the cities people are alluding to here have more cars than the entire population (people) of Kenya!
There many other solutions that would not include banning private cars or increasing parking fee even further. People only need to think. But that doesn't happen a lot in Kenya! What should be the solution? Why is CBD congested? People driving round in circles looking for parking - sometimes for an hour plus. Solution? High rise and underground parking owned and managed by the County. And I am talking about Japan style parking. Locate four of the parking lots in different corners of the CBD (a couple inside CBD). Charge the same parking fee as street parking and issue the same receipts so that even if I am in the CBD for an hour then drive to Westlands I don't have to pay again. Have those parking lots/buildings installed with CCTV cameras with a manned observation centre making them more secure than the streets. This will encourage people to park there. After you have done that, improve public transport. High speed trains, trams etc. Let people VOLUNTEER to use public transport. And this is easy. If one can get into a train or tram and have a safe and comfortable ride and get into town in 15 minutes, he would surely prefer that mode of transport if he is one of those fellows who are in the office 8 - 5. You are making a grave mistake to assume that kenyans are rational If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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MaichBlack wrote:Why do people always have lazy solutions to everything?
Banning private cars from the CBD is as lazy as they come!! How many cars do we have in Nairobi? Some of the cities people are alluding to here have more cars than the entire population (people) of Kenya!
There many other solutions that would not include banning private cars or increasing parking fee even further. People only need to think. But that doesn't happen a lot in Kenya! Like some offices moving out of the C.B.D to say, Mathare, Korogocho, Githurai, Mwiki, etc. This, will surely decongest the C.B.D!!!!! Imagine, what if UNEP was in C.B.D or Upperhill???? Hiyo Traffic jameni! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/15/2010 Posts: 99 Location: nairobi
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Why are we assuming gova has the local mwananchi at heart? If you use PSV the govt has ni business with you except of course the fact that you will still vote in your local idiot come the next election. We need these private cars in the CBD for parking fees to kanjo. Instead of thinking of decongesting the city, CCN wants to construct a highrise car park at the sunken car park right in the CBD. We need those second hand vehicle imports so that we can collect more tax from the importers, we need also to import and use more fuel oil so that we can collect taxes from it and also enrich the few who own oil marketing companies. We need to constantly construct and expand roads around Nbi to enrich our contractor friends. We also need to make sure the rail transport is dead to ensure business for our trucking companies. Finally we need to laugh at our neighbors Tz and Ethipia for investing in bus rapist transport and light commuter rail hahaha those communists!!!
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