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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:Spikes wrote:enyands wrote:Ericsson wrote:@Realtreaty Hiyo ni ndoto. come to reality A wazuan notorious cook @RealTreaty sounds like a longterm investor. @Spikes, are you a guy of few days stand on these things. The best way to be in is to buy more and make more from rewards like Bonuses, dividends, good capital gains etc than banking your cash. assume I bought Kakuzi when it was 60 Kes a few years back compared to how it has climbed past 350 Kes. How rich could I be today if I had accumulated to say 20000 from 5000 shares? Count from 300,000 to 7,000,000. This is what I know Buffet does. On a similar note. Imagine having 200,000 KQ shares bought at avg price of KES 4.4 then the same rises to KES 17 per share or if you are a serious dreamer a revisit of all time high KES 126 per share HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Spikes wrote:enyands wrote:Ericsson wrote:@Realtreaty Hiyo ni ndoto. come to reality A wazuan notorious cook @RealTreaty sounds like a longterm investor. @Spikes, are you a guy of few days stand on these things. The best way to be in is to buy more and make more from rewards like Bonuses, dividends, good capital gains etc than banking your cash. assume I bought Kakuzi when it was 60 Kes a few years back compared to how it has climbed past 350 Kes. How rich could I be today if I had accumulated to say 20000 from 5000 shares? Count from 300,000 to 7,000,000. This is what I know Buffet does. On a similar note. Imagine having 200,000 KQ shares bought at avg price of KES 4.4 then the same rises to KES 17 per share or if you are a serious dreamer a revisit of all time high KES 126 per share @RealTreaty, @Obiero I can now agree with you that PATIENCE is SUPREME on investments. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Spikes wrote:enyands wrote:Ericsson wrote:@Realtreaty Hiyo ni ndoto. come to reality A wazuan notorious cook @RealTreaty sounds like a longterm investor. @Spikes, are you a guy of few days stand on these things. The best way to be in is to buy more and make more from rewards like Bonuses, dividends, good capital gains etc than banking your cash. assume I bought Kakuzi when it was 60 Kes a few years back compared to how it has climbed past 350 Kes. How rich could I be today if I had accumulated to say 20000 from 5000 shares? Count from 300,000 to 7,000,000. This is what I know Buffet does. On a similar note. Imagine having 200,000 KQ shares bought at avg price of KES 4.4 then the same rises to KES 17 per share or if you are a serious dreamer a revisit of all time high KES 126 per share Please don't wake up, keep on dreaming. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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Yes @Realtreaty, US first president, George Washington was serving from 1789 or 227 years ago!' Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Measures working- Being SMART with goals http://www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/xnjremz/-/index.htmlCo-op Bank cuts Sh1.2bn stationery costs by half in shift to paperless system
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Rank: Hello Joined: 5/18/2016 Posts: 5 Location: nairobi
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so it's ok to sat that the firm has a brighter future despite the argument that the managers have overstayed?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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OKEYO wrote:so it's ok to sat that the firm has a brighter future despite the argument that the managers have overstayed? MD and chairman ,they need new vibrant blood the likes of Ogina.
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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enyands wrote:OKEYO wrote:so it's ok to sat that the firm has a brighter future despite the argument that the managers have overstayed? MD and chairman ,they need new vibrant blood the likes of Ogina. Chair and Vice Chair are just puppets!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas. You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits. They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them. The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi. The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Ericsson wrote:Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas. You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits. They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them. The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi. The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there. This is desperate move .total desperate . As equity is coming with ideas of growing profits through advance technology like Equitel these guys are working on cost cutting through stationery. Honestly I call this foolish honesty. Definately there is a problem with management way of thing. Once done with this what cost cutting will they do next . Remember last year cost cutting was reduce the number of staff,this year it's stationery ,next year it will be reducing the number of computers . What this bank needs is ideas not events.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Ericsson wrote:Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas. You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits. They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them. The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi. The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there. @ Ericsson, please revise your high school notes. What are profits to you? Its mere simple as 1,2,3 Profit is what remains after expenses, period. The Higher the expenses the lower the profits at fixed Assets. I won't say more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Realtreaty wrote:Ericsson wrote:Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas. You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits. They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them. The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi. The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there. @ Ericsson, please revise your high school notes. What are profits to you? Its mere simple as 1,2,3 Profit is what remains after expenses, period. The Higher the expenses the lower the profits at fixed Assets. I won't say more. @RealTreaty we know how expenses eat into PL. Ericson wanted to know of these guys have another ideas for growing profits like come up with new technology "cooptel" that can rival equitel. I think I just gave them a hint for free .."cooptel "
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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@Realtreaty Information is in the detail.Enyands has clarified what my statement meant. Going forward take time to read keenly and understand the statement before commenting. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2015 Posts: 138 Location: Harare
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This idea that Kenyan banks will walk into Ethiopia and magically start minting profits is one of the biggest fallacies. They'll have to consider all the following which don't bode well for profit: 1. Minimum paid up capital required of KES 2 Billion; while the KE banks don't have sufficient capital as it is they'll need atleast KES 15 Billion to ably compete with the biggest ET banks. 2. 18 other commercial banks already existing in the country with CBE, the government controlled bank controlling ~70% of the market. 3. The language barrier - setting up a greenfield retail banking operation will be almost impossible because Amharic is the working language. 4. The policy and regulatory environment is very different from that in KE e.g. requirement that banks buy zero coupon government infrastructure bonds, no floating forex, to reptriate profits you have to get approval of the NBE etc 5. The financial reporting, taxation reporting etc are much different in ET so the profits and ROE they currently see in ET banks maybe much lower in IFRS terms. The bright side is that there is room on the technological side that can be exploited. ET banks are still in the age of brick and mortar mostly. Investment philosophy development in progress...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Do you know that saccos have been given licenses to operate like banks like lending each other ? This is a huge threat for coop bank core business structure-saccos
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,105 Location: Nairobi
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alotoftalk wrote:This idea that Kenyan banks will walk into Ethiopia and magically start minting profits is one of the biggest fallacies. They'll have to consider all the following which don't bode well for profit: 1. Minimum paid up capital required of KES 2 Billion; while the KE banks don't have sufficient capital as it is they'll need atleast KES 15 Billion to ably compete with the biggest ET banks. 2. 18 other commercial banks already existing in the country with CBE, the government controlled bank controlling ~70% of the market. 3. The language barrier - setting up a greenfield retail banking operation will be almost impossible because Amharic is the working language. 4. The policy and regulatory environment is very different from that in KE e.g. requirement that banks buy zero coupon government infrastructure bonds, no floating forex, to reptriate profits you have to get approval of the NBE etc 5. The financial reporting, taxation reporting etc are much different in ET so the profits and ROE they currently see in ET banks maybe much lower in IFRS terms. The bright side is that there is room on the technological side that can be exploited. ET banks are still in the age of brick and mortar mostly. Any Kenyan bank entering Ethiopia has to plan to lose money for a few years. Plus the single Ethiopian Telecom Company is 100% government owned so they have ZERO incentive to be innovative. There is no chance of an Equitel or Mobile Money like product that provides competition to Ethioptel or government banks. All businesses are expected to place a certain minimum % of funds in zero or low-yielding Ethiopian government bonds. These bonds do not even earn enough to cover costs of acquiring the deposits. Even KenolKobil has to place money in these bonds which earn a sub-par return. KK Ethiopia has not paid KK Kenya a dividend in years. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,105 Location: Nairobi
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The Ethiopian Birr is tightly controlled thus the parallel rate is much higher like the South Sudanese Pound was but not as bad. We saw how the profits and investment of KCB and Equity was severely diminished when the SSP was floated. So anyone investing in Ethiopia by taking money INTO Ethiopia needs to write-down part of the investment since you get a lousy low rate for the Birr. Repatriating profits is very difficult so one cannot assume there will be cashflow from the investment. It is locked in Ethiopia. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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