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murchr
#201 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:19:33 AM
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alma wrote:
murchr wrote:



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?


Think Big Man!

He can buy Paris!


Give us an example of anyone who has managed to buy paris from his bedroom? Not even steve jobs, after working from his garage he had to face the real world. Dont let those stories captivate you. Even Bill gates had to drop out and partner with IBM to make it.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#202 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:22:58 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?


Think Big Man!

He can buy Paris!


@murchr
regarding availability of office space in an orderly manner, see the effects of Annual Land Value tax here
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=274904#post274904

With this in play, anyone with vacant land around the city will be forced to develop or sell it hence the issue of high rents and lack of space will be reduced.

The economy will be so vibrant due to developments and affordable ofice spaces will be many.

Wikipedia says Kenya is on the way to implementing this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

Quote:
Other countries

Land value taxation is currently at some stage of being introduced in Kenya,[72][73] Namibia and other countries. China's Real Rights Law contains fundamental provisions founded on a land value taxation analysis.[74]


On land, how much in taxes is it raising while remaining idle. With buildings there even tho as u think they will not host IT orgs...they will raise some cash is taxes
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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a4architect.com
#203 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:25:31 AM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?


Think Big Man!

He can buy Paris!


Give us an example of anyone who has managed to buy paris from his bedroom? Not even steve jobs, after working from his garage he had to face the real world. Dont let those stories captivate you. Even Bill gates had to drop out and partner with IBM to make it.


@murchr..if this idle land tax is implemented properly, high rents and lack of quality office space will be a thing of the past.
Most vacant land around Nairobi will be developed or sold to developers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

Quote:
Other countries

Land value taxation is currently at some stage of being introduced in Kenya,[72][73] Namibia and other countries. China's Real Rights Law contains fundamental provisions founded on a land value taxation analysis.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
alma
#204 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:26:19 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@alma..me thinks its a case of mental slavery/hypnotizing of some sort.

Most of these guys in Govt ICT have PhDs so its not the lack of cognitive ability.

Our heroes should be the Oduoris in the 10x10s in Kayole who come up with marvelous ICT products, not the Microsofts.

I do not blame the ICT Board for the Konza project. Ndemo and Kukubo look like people with genuine good intentions based on their speeches in the media.

They sought the services of Worldbank to offer them advise on Konza and its impact to the Kenyan economy.

They are merely following this advisory to the letter.

They should let Worldbank answer critic's questions regarding Konza's impact on the economy instead of taking the flak on their behalf.


You are very gracious my friend. I'm not.

This information age will not come back. Once we sell all our Mpesa's to these so called "loving" multinationals, you can forget about these vision 2030's


It is upto them as PAID beuracrats to protect the interests of this country. Not to push the agendas of the world bank or whoever is financing them.

If you are in ICT there is nothing more painful than seeing your idea being used somewhere else. We know these companies prey on the uninformed, yet we bring them here to party!

Who came up with the idea to give Google the lock and Keys to Gov't data? Then foolishly went ahead and called it Kenyan Open Data. There is nothing open about Google. Their goal is to control all information in the world and someone in gov't just gave them the keys.

Yes I blame them.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#205 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:39:05 AM
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Quote:

You are very gracious my friend. I'm not.

This information age will not come back. Once we sell all our Mpesa's to these so called "loving" multinationals, you can forget about these vision 2030's


It is upto them as PAID beuracrats to protect the interests of this country. Not to push the agendas of the world bank or whoever is financing them.

If you are in ICT there is nothing more painful than seeing your idea being used somewhere else. We know these companies prey on the uninformed, yet we bring them here to party!

Who came up with the idea to give Google the lock and Keys to Gov't data? Then foolishly went ahead and called it Kenyan Open Data. There is nothing open about Google. Their goal is to control all information in the world and someone in gov't just gave them the keys.

Yes I blame them.


@alma..when you se Ndemo and Kukubo appear in the media and talk about leaving a legacy,they truly think they will leave a legacy.

The signs of an evil character are in avoiding the mdeia. These guys are very active on twitter.

I dont think any person can present an unviable project with such confidence .

My conclusion is that someone else who is not active in the media/public eyes has convinced them beyond any reasonable doubt that the project is a success and cant be a white elephant.




As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
murchr
#206 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:39:52 AM
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alma wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@alma..me thinks its a case of mental slavery/hypnotizing of some sort.

Most of these guys in Govt ICT have PhDs so its not the lack of cognitive ability.

Our heroes should be the Oduoris in the 10x10s in Kayole who come up with marvelous ICT products, not the Microsofts.

I do not blame the ICT Board for the Konza project. Ndemo and Kukubo look like people with genuine good intentions based on their speeches in the media.

They sought the services of Worldbank to offer them advise on Konza and its impact to the Kenyan economy.

They are merely following this advisory to the letter.

They should let Worldbank answer critic's questions regarding Konza's impact on the economy instead of taking the flak on their behalf.


You are very gracious my friend. I'm not.

This information age will not come back. Once we sell all our Mpesa's to these so called "loving" multinationals, you can forget about these vision 2030's


It is upto them as PAID beuracrats to protect the interests of this country. Not to push the agendas of the world bank or whoever is financing them.

If you are in ICT there is nothing more painful than seeing your idea being used somewhere else. We know these companies prey on the uninformed, yet we bring them here to party!

Who came up with the idea to give Google the lock and Keys to Gov't data? Then foolishly went ahead and called it Kenyan Open Data. There is nothing open about Google. Their goal is to control all information in the world and someone in gov't just gave them the keys.

Yes I blame them.


You forget one thing, knowledge and skill never gets depleted what we are calling the "in thing" today will be a dinosaur tomorrow and to stay relevant you have to network and have your antennas high to know what will be "in" tomorrow, therefore no serious developer can rush to "buy paris" on striking it big the first time.

Check out Noris Kaboo http://noristechnologies.com/the-kaboo-tablet/, don't u think these guys need maximum support?

And by the way, as long as ur using the www then your info is out there, it doesnt matter if its on google or yahoo or what
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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a4architect.com
#207 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:45:06 AM
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Location: nairobi

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
Other countries

Land value taxation is currently at some stage of being introduced in Kenya,[72][73] Namibia and other countries. China's Real Rights Law contains fundamental provisions founded on a land value taxation analysis.[74]
[/quote]

On land, how much in taxes is it raising while remaining idle. With buildings there even tho as u think they will not host IT orgs...they will raise some cash is taxes[/quote]

@murchr..
please expound on your question above.
Its basically taxing vacant land as if there is full development on it.

Owners of vacant land will feel the pain of paying tax as if the land is developed so they will either develop or sell to a developer.

This will open up and increase ammount of rentable space in Nairobi.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
murchr
#208 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:46:36 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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a4architect.com wrote:

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
Other countries

Land value taxation is currently at some stage of being introduced in Kenya,[72][73] Namibia and other countries. China's Real Rights Law contains fundamental provisions founded on a land value taxation analysis.[74]


On land, how much in taxes is it raising while remaining idle. With buildings there even tho as u think they will not host IT orgs...they will raise some cash is taxes[/quote]

@murchr..
please expound on your question above.
Its basically taxing vacant land as if there is full development on it.

Owners of vacant land will feel the pain of paying tax as if the land is developed so they will either develop or sell to a developer.

This will open up and increase ammount of rentable space in Nairobi.[/quote]

Is that what the law proposes?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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a4architect.com
#209 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:51:24 AM
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@murchr, the core of the Land Value tax is taxing idle land as if there is full development on it, hence ensuring land owners develop or sell land.

I have not yet sen the proposals in Kenyan idle land tax.
This prevents hoarding of land as is happening at Konza whereby govt has bought 5000acres.
Konza city will have to pay tax on the vacant several thousands of acres as if they are all developed.

This pic explains it better-Read the wordings on the billboard carefully-

http://www.henrygeorge.org/rem4.htm

As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
alma
#210 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:52:57 AM
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By the way, I wish to apologise for stating the wrong company in open data, its not Google its Socrata.

Mind you I want Konza to work. You only need to know me to know how I hate Nairobi. But if its IT we are talking about, then we are barking up the wrong tree.

I promise you this, if in the next 8 months of their term they could stop going to Stanford university and instead take a trip to Paypal, they would have changed this country forever.

In this trip they should not take Larry Madowo. They should go with the owners of IPay and those Akira chix and pretend they are students.

We are living in dangerous times when we can't see that the global war is being fought over data.

The chinese want to chase Google and Facebook, we wish to build them mansions here. The russians are quickly becoming the best programmers and hackers, we are holding another Nokia conference.

This war is on. And data is what they are after. We are about to give them all of it hook line and sinker as they praise us for having an "technology city".

Sorry, I ain't buying it.

Let us educate our masses Now! Our only advantage is in our minds. We give them that and all of us will be working in Konza as sweepers and bodyguards and calling ourselves developed.

Adios.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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