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Kenya airways Right Issue
VituVingiSana
#401 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2012 11:48:45 AM
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GenghisCapitalLtd
#402 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:16:44 AM

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KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!
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Aguytrying
#403 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:28:31 AM
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GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.
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hisah
#404 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:40:44 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#405 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:04:53 PM
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Divide the estimates (by @AguyTrying & @hisah) by the total number of shares (after the Rights Issue) & you will find the PE Ratio is quite high!
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Kausha
#406 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:45:40 PM
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The travesty is to have allowed recently issued shares in may (after 31st Mar 2012) to rank pari passu for dividends of earnings to be announced tomorrow. This was just playing to the gallery to entice investors to participate in the rights issue.

However on closer introspection, KQ with that declaration may have been thinly communicating to shareholders that there will be no dividends to be declared from the yet to be released results. Earnings will be weak, rights issue was largely abysmal and the company can do with all the profits. The vibe in the global economy suggests that come July and september pax numbers will only at best have improved marginally setting the airline up for another flat year!
StatMeister
#407 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:25:43 PM
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hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.


Oil prices were going down, hence hedging losses left, right and centre.
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#408 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:35:29 AM
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I just logged in to confirm that this stock is crap!
...atleast Olympia Capital has the decency of accepting they are crap..something Naikuni ought to accede to.


Anyway..that said..the confidence of the Finance Director in pursuin debt when fortunes are glimmer this year than previous years..and unlikely to improve next year, is puzzling...

on the profit warning...blaming Tourism figures and yet Ministry of Tourism is excited by the said tourism figures is laughable...at best.. sad counter indeed..as is the blaming "hedging" si two years ago they were so exited about their "hedging" plans? Kwani at what point will the Management accede to the fact that the Company's efficiency levels are crap...and that they are spending too much on Publicity to a population that is unlikely to fly them?
...plus cheaper transit rates per passenger while spending more per passenger than other airlines is NEVER a winning formula!

Atleast the excuse that other airlines are from Oil rich nations will not hold much further with oil find in Turu but same inefficiencies are likely to remain..


...still maintain...not worth touching unless below 9Bob
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the deal
#409 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:01:19 PM
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#410 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:24:51 PM
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QW25091985
#411 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:07:03 PM
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ProverB wrote:
I just logged in to confirm that this stock is crap!
...atleast Olympia Capital has the decency of accepting they are crap..something Naikuni ought to accede to.


Anyway..that said..the confidence of the Finance Director in pursuin debt when fortunes are glimmer this year than previous years..and unlikely to improve next year, is puzzling...

on the profit warning...blaming Tourism figures and yet Ministry of Tourism is excited by the said tourism figures is laughable...at best.. sad counter indeed..as is the blaming "hedging" si two years ago they were so exited about their "hedging" plans? Kwani at what point will the Management accede to the fact that the Company's efficiency levels are crap...and that they are spending too much on Publicity to a population that is unlikely to fly them?
...plus cheaper transit rates per passenger while spending more per passenger than other airlines is NEVER a winning formula!

Atleast the excuse that other airlines are from Oil rich nations will not hold much further with oil find in Turu but same inefficiencies are likely to remain..


...still maintain...not worth touching unless below 9Bob



LOL! mumeskia vile mboss amesema ! kweli hayo
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#412 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:45:51 PM
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ProverB wrote:
I just logged in to confirm that this stock is crap!
...atleast Olympia Capital has the decency of accepting they are crap..something Naikuni ought to accede to.
titus should replace michael matu as CEO. Seems the performance of Olympia will be maintained!
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QW25091985
#413 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:40:07 PM
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hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.



lol. we arenot in a recession !
hisah
#414 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:00:49 AM
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QW25091985 wrote:
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.



lol. we arenot in a recession !

Profits dip 57%.
@QW - Can you please be arguing with facts for healthy debates smile

http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E8HE2JE20120614

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#415 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:06:02 AM
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The 25% profit warning was inadequate! No wonder the Management or Directors of KQ were not interested in buying the shares!
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madebe
#416 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:44:10 PM
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who has the full results. na kwani receiving stocks analysis from mwekezaji made us be delisted from nse mailing list?
VituVingiSana
#417 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:49:58 PM
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MaichBlack
#418 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:52:03 PM
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hisah wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.



lol. we arenot in a recession !

Profits dip 57%.
@QW - Can you please be arguing with facts for healthy debates smile

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5E8HE2JE20120614


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

This @QW and his cartoons is a joke. The guy increases font size and makes the font bold and what happens the next day??? 57% drop!!! his cartoons did not show him that???
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ProverB
#419 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:48:04 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
ProverB wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
WTH, some KQ rights have traded, at 5 cents!!! Circa 330,000 rights. Must be one of the big moneyed boys. Just seen it in NSE report.


..only because it couldn't trade lower than stipulated 14.00..

This ought to be a sign of what general market thinks of the share valuation.. it is worth way cheaper than 14.00

Assuming Institutional investors keep their word and take up rights due them..and the same for foreign investors..

..local individuals control about 22% of total shares issued.. translating to 400Million new share in retail trader hands... :)

..to assume the share price will not feel supply pressures hence drop would be really a long short...especially in the short to medium term..

I still retain.. ideal price..is sub 10bob..


“At a price of five cents per right, we expect demand to be healthy at this price level,” the brokerage firm had said in its Tuesday market report. Mr Nderi also attributed the low demand to lack of block sales, which would attract institutional investors.

I retain, the ideal price ... is >15.10



@Mwekezaji... I hope your valuation has changed now?
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QW25091985
#420 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 8:45:02 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
hisah wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KQ to announce their Full Year results on 14th June 2012. What numbers do you expect taking into account the profit warning issued!


2 billion shs net profit. A 42% drop.

Fuel bill, strong KES (reduced fx gains on euro and dollar), tourism slowdown especially from eurozone for obvious reasons; I think 42% profit dip is quite optimistic. Should be more than 50%.



lol. we arenot in a recession !

Profits dip 57%.
@QW - Can you please be arguing with facts for healthy debates smile

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5E8HE2JE20120614


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

This @QW and his cartoons is a joke. The guy increases font size and makes the font bold and what happens the next day??? 57% drop!!! his cartoons did not show him that???


they arenot cartoons ! but i willnt waste my effort arguing with an ignorant person . so let it stay like that !
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