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Kengen has bolted!
gatoho
#191 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:14:03 AM
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sparkly wrote:
The DY and P/B tell me that this is a good stock to bave. Too much info will lead to analysis paralysis.

Foresight..
the deal
#192 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:32:28 AM
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Kenya Power to use cash raised from proposed tariffs to build new plants

http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/kulu35z/-/index.html
MoneyMonger
#193 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:21:16 AM
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[quote=the deal]Kenya Power to use cash raised from proposed tariffs to build new plants

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/kulu35z/-/index.html[/quote]

I am lost here. Is this a way of forcing consumers (rather than share holders) to fund their power generation projects? Is that fair really?! can Kenya power produce sustainably cheaper power compared to KenGen which does it on a larger scale? I need to answer/research these questions.

d'oh!
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VituVingiSana
#194 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:09:34 AM
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MoneyMonger wrote:
[quote=the deal]Kenya Power to use cash raised from proposed tariffs to build new plants

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/kulu35z/-/index.html[/quote]

I am lost here. Is this a way of forcing consumers (rather than share holders) to fund their power generation projects? Is that fair really?! can Kenya power produce sustainably cheaper power compared to KenGen which does it on a larger scale? I need to answer/research these questions.

d'oh!
Coz it is a regulated utility. Shareholders have suffered by not being allowed to recover a fair return on their investment. The ROE is very low. The tariff increase was NOT allowed even though the Rights Issue memorandum had it as a Selling Point.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ChessMaster
#195 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:43:02 AM
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Can't remember who said it but they are right.Kengen just might reach 9
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Kausha
#196 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 12:40:34 PM
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I am just wondering, If power being generated is less than what KPLC requires, it follows that there is already a market for the power at current prices. I believe current prices already provide an adequate return for shareholders. @VVS the ROE is low because KPLC converted prefs to equity and this prefs relate to a dud debt owed to Kengen at separation and is of now real value to shareholders really. Ignoring ROE, KPLC is already making enough profits so current prices are fair to consumers and shareholders.

I am certain beyond reasonable doubt that KPLC is raising tariffs to fund regeneration of the national grid. KETRACO will only do new high voltage transmission lines. As a consumer, I am horribly pissed off with this decision. It's the MOST stupid decision a government can make at this time and time will tell. We have barely repaired the economy and we want to play around with inflation again. CBK is barely able to control real interest rates and you know our businessmen you raise power everything goes up immediately, heck even your matatu owner is tempted to jump into price increase party.

I just think government should have found a cleverer way of funding this regeneration and spared consumers of tariff hikes. Expect inflation to continue rising and rates to remain higher and the economy to be remained in the woods!

As an investor, I don't mind consumers covering the debt service early but in the long term I worry because high power costs are destructive to the economy and may result in nominal growth at best, so long term for me this is sell but in the meantime a nice trading stock!
murchr
#197 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 4:05:04 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Can't remember who said it but they are right.Kengen just might reach 9


Am waiting smile
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ChessMaster
#198 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07:20 PM
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murchr wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Can't remember who said it but they are right.Kengen just might reach 9


Am waiting smile


Me tooPray
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
sparkly
#199 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 5:14:30 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
MoneyMonger wrote:
[quote=the deal]Kenya Power to use cash raised from proposed tariffs to build new plants

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/kulu35z/-/index.html[/quote]

I am lost here. Is this a way of forcing consumers (rather than share holders) to fund their power generation projects? Is that fair really?! can Kenya power produce sustainably cheaper power compared to KenGen which does it on a larger scale? I need to answer/research these questions.

d'oh!
Coz it is a regulated utility. Shareholders have suffered by not being allowed to recover a fair return on their investment. The ROE is very low. The tariff increase was NOT allowed even though the Rights Issue memorandum had it as a Selling Point.


Is it Kenya Power building new plants or Kengen? Surely these tariff costs are usually passed over to the power producers i.e. Kengen and the IPPs.
Life is short. Live passionately.
murchr
#200 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 6:06:22 PM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MoneyMonger wrote:
[quote=the deal]Kenya Power to use cash raised from proposed tariffs to build new plants

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/kulu35z/-/index.html[/quote]

I am lost here. Is this a way of forcing consumers (rather than share holders) to fund their power generation projects? Is that fair really?! can Kenya power produce sustainably cheaper power compared to KenGen which does it on a larger scale? I need to answer/research these questions.

d'oh!
Coz it is a regulated utility. Shareholders have suffered by not being allowed to recover a fair return on their investment. The ROE is very low. The tariff increase was NOT allowed even though the Rights Issue memorandum had it as a Selling Point.


Is it Kenya Power building new plants or Kengen? Surely these tariff costs are usually passed over to the power producers i.e. Kengen and the IPPs.


Kenya power is funding Kengen and Ketraco. Thats what I have been trying to say all this while. I believe Kengen wants to be paid more for elec.

A while back the water authorities started charging Kengen for the water they use, this too has been pushed to the consumer.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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