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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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@ fresher 2010, Look at it this way…a developer conceives an idea which is translated into a space development. Now, this is achieved through the involvement of an architect who produces the various options of the plans taking into consideration the available space. The treatment of these options generates the optimum plan….when the architectural plans are done, the civil/structural and services engineers do their designs. The overall cost of the development is actually derived from the engineers’ designs. The QS so far has no input in the designs. Here is my contention: Since the civil/structural, electrical and mechanical engineers are the physical product designers, they are best suited to do the specifications and the overall bills of quantities documentation which would be sufficiently accurate. The question is, why would we need a QS to do what can be done by the product design originators? @ hawkeye, I concur with you that the amount of man-hours that goes into the designs and the general contract administration is massive. However, you have still not told me why the absence of a QS in a construction project would stall the project. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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@Kaigangio
Do you real trust lawyers to do anything for you? Those guys are of a different mindset. It is better to have an expert in an industry dealing with the legal aspect of their specialist than to involve a lawyer who will understand nothing,will need guidance for every single step, might come up with his own interpretations, is very lazy, has the wrong attitude and dresses in a suit which is odd for sites. If you want to ask yourself 'How did I get into all this?', hire a lawyer.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2006 Posts: 276
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I am in the construction industry with degrees and all.. i am actually a project manager.. not a QS.
The statement indicated above by one kaigangio is the most backward thing i have ever heard for 10 years..
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 567 Location: Nairobi
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Just wondering if one engaged all these professionals in a construction project what would be left for putting up the actual building.
Assume a construction project of 5M (residential home)
QS - 6% ? Architect - 7? Civil Engineer - 3%?? Mechanical Engineer - ?? Electrical Engineer - ??
Total - 20% Plus
Surely, maybe for projects in the Office of the President or so. I sure agree with Kaigangio that all you need is the Civil Engineer and a fundi. Ingine ni vitisho.
Not to say they have no work but I think that they are very necessary in big building projects.
My 2 cents.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2009 Posts: 353 Location: Cloud
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@kagizzard,@pablo, i cant agree more. Truth be told, most of kawaida chaps cant afford some of these ivy league professionals. You will be surprised that most of the seasoned fundis can give u a current BoQ to the accuracy of 5% once they get the architects drawings. And they have an interesting way of generating the BoQ too.... One die carries 400 ft of mawe ya 6, one fundi can comfortably set mawe ya x ft per day, trenches of x ft take x days @ kes x per day... koroga of Y depth, B WIDTH, G length takes T cement, F sand, D ballast.... Y10 cost kes 600 times R pieces.. etc. The trick to mitigate the shortcut is in the supervision of workmanship at every stage. if u r street smart u can get an engineer from the municipalities moonlighting at your site for piece of mind. "For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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Pablo wrote:Just wondering if one engaged all these professionals in a construction project what would be left for putting up the actual building.
Assume a construction project of 5M (residential home)
QS - 6% ? Architect - 7? Civil Engineer - 3%?? Mechanical Engineer - ?? Electrical Engineer - ??
Total - 20% Plus
Surely, maybe for projects in the Office of the President or so. I sure agree with Kaigangio that all you need is the Civil Engineer and a fundi. Ingine ni vitisho.
Not to say they have no work but I think that they are very necessary in big building projects.
My 2 cents.
Where do you get your figures from? Last I checked the Architect gets 6%, QS and Structural Engineers 2.5% each with services engineer at 2%.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/26/2010 Posts: 34 Location: Nairobi
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@ Pablo, seriosuly, where did you get those percentages from? i think i need to meet whoever gongad you like that... @ Kwanini, well yes you can always avoid the services of a QS, but trust me, unless you are there throughout there is no way you will save money... @Pablo, those are minimum fees, one can always ask for more, but not less than what is prescribed in CAP 525. I still insist, a building project doesnt need a project manager if everyone else did their roles professionally..but hey , let me not hate so much on them... Jamaa wa mjengo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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@ fundamentali, We have some lawyers who have studied and specialized in construction laws and do interprete them for what they are in relationship to construction or construction disputes…I would not be worried if I engaged one for their services. @ fantony, It is not me who said that the project managers are not needed in any construction projects. I have so far not posted anything on project managers…please read the posts again. Please note that questioning the role of a QS in a construction project does not amount to primitivity, but rather “thinking outside the box”. You see fantony, as a construction client or developer it would be in my interest if I could reduce on professional fees while maintaining quality designs and construction works. It is therefore pretty in order for me to consider which professional contributions I would do without and still attain my desired goal without compromising on quality… @ Pablo, I think this is the scale on average, Architect – 6% Civil/structural Engineer - 3% QS – 1.5% Electrical/Mechanical Engineer – 1.5% This makes 12% on fees alone, but does not include disbursements (project meetings and inspections) which may constitute another 10-15%... not economical for small scale projects!!! @ Quantity Surveyors What effect direct or indirect would the project have if there were no services of a QS? What value does the QS add to the overall construction project management and functionalities throughout the project life? ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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@Kaigangio
Hiring a construction lawyer to go to your site and interprete simple matters over a period of say two years can be very expensive. Give it Shs. 12,000/- per hour. These guys are specialist. These guys work more with contractors and make their money by raising frivolous claims.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/26/2010 Posts: 34 Location: Nairobi
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@ FundamentAli- Not all claims are frivolous, there are some which are genuine which are caused by actions of either the client or his agents, (read: Architects, Engineers, PMs and rarely the QS) And this construction law specialist if they are worth their salt should be on board from the time the project commenced otherwise it will be hard for them to have any basis of their claims..and by the way, the various claims of course should be within the ambit of the contract document being used. There are genuine contractors out there, the Chinese, Laxmanbhai, HYoung, Cementers just to name a few.. @ Kaigagio, read the 1st post by swaweru,am sure you shall see their value... in as much as you want to save on costs, rarely will you make any savings from not engaging a QS, unless its an SQ or a simple bungalow..for a commercial property or your dream home, costs for sure will escalate, without the QS on board...and yes, even if he is on board, the costs may still escalate depending on the architect and the client. IMHO, dont try cut costs with the architects and engineers, since lives may be lost due to poor design and supervision. If you want you can omit the QS, at your own risk of course. Jamaa wa mjengo
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