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Kenya Re - Waking up from the Slumber?
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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To all Kenya re shareholders... In H2 2009 Kenya re paid a claim of 400million to Post Election Violence victims and this contributed greatly to the drop in profits... Such a claim is not expected in 2010 so profits will definitely be up this year... BUT CAVEAT EMPTOR THAT WILL ONLY BE THIS YEAR!!!!!Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/25/2010 Posts: 519 Location: nairobi
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GO! GO! GO! Kenya Re...We gonna celebrate like its ur party....tutu tutu tutu bum bum kadoom....
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289
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i thought with this company venturing into mortgage will wake up from the slumber,but we are asleep as a dodo,when will they have a new CEO?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/3/2008 Posts: 238
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West Africa operations goes to sleep! KNRE planning to relocate office out of Ivory Coast! Losses there again! can they just announce the new CEO and can the govt confirm that the local insurance mandatory remittance has been reviewed? NKT!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2006 Posts: 422 Location: Nairobi
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@MALI...THE MANDATORY CESSION TO KENYA RE WERE REVIEWED TO EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER 2015. A correcion though, the compulsory cession only relates to Reinsurance Treaties that your insurance companies buy to protect themselves (known as REINSURANCE)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289
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a friend has asked if there is any future in this counter,i have considered the facts and advised her to sell,hope i am right
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/23/2010 Posts: 63 Location: Kampala
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gesowan wrote:a friend has asked if there is any future in this counter,i have considered the facts and advised her to sell,hope i am right
I think your definitely wrong. i mean, on the NSE, this is the cheapest stock fundamentally and also as a business, it has enormous value. For the past 5 years, its has had an average underwriting margin of 3% and investment income in the last 3 years has averaged 1,040,091,626. Net premiums have averaged 2,900,000,000. So basing on that, its a good float generator and currently float stands at about 10,000,000,000/-. so thats a good thing. With a price to book ratio of 0.6. I guess it would be a good buy. So load some more.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289
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@msimon whenever i get it wrong i admit,but on this one i disagree,i guess some guys read and i can see an increase in demand and also a rise in price,thanks for your input,,,will buy
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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KenyaRe is the best priced stock in the NSE according to me. Investors just do not respect it at all. It reminds me of Jubilee which is a neglected beauty. Buy is my recommendation for KenyaRe even if on purely technical reasons (at 11.50).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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The Merchant wrote:KenyaRe is the best priced stock in the NSE according to me. Investors just do not respect it at all. It reminds me of Jubilee which is a neglected beauty. Buy is my recommendation for KenyaRe even if on purely technical reasons (at 11.50). @the merchant one cannot even slightly compare jubilee and kenya re... Kenya re earnings growth, revenue diversification and management are EXTREMELY poor while jubilee's are exemplary... Kenya re deserves its current share price more than any other counter on the NSE Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Insurance stocks do not seem to be a darling of investors. I wonder if the same will be said of CFC insurance GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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guru267 wrote:The Merchant wrote:KenyaRe is the best priced stock in the NSE according to me. Investors just do not respect it at all. It reminds me of Jubilee which is a neglected beauty. Buy is my recommendation for KenyaRe even if on purely technical reasons (at 11.50). @the merchant one cannot even slightly compare jubilee and kenya re... Kenya re earnings growth, revenue diversification and management are EXTREMELY poor while jubilee's are exemplary... Kenya re deserves its current share price more than any other counter on the NSE Well, I don't know how you arrive at such a bad outlook for its growth(maybe because the compulsory cessations end 2015?). However I think 2 more factors that are equally important are okay with this company namely; 1. Profitability: HUGE investment in the stock market and lower claims expected this year. More premiums expected due to a robust economy. 2. Risk: I think they place a premium on risk management hence their conservative growth. This is not necessarily a bad thing and should make us investors have more confidence. About the management, can you explain more? Is there something I do not know? Jubilee I cannot dare argue. Exemplary management. I have dealt with them a few times so I slowly buy into this share when I can. From the numbers alone KenyaRe looked very good to me. Please explain your fundamentals further, I may be lost on the theory and missing the larger picture.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/7/2009 Posts: 111
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Other than for investors looking to diversify and despite the foundamentals of Kenya-Re including it's PE (or inspite of them), this would not be a counter i would advice anyone on. It is still lingering around it's IPO price many years on. Compare it with Equity! I think a wait (outside) and see would be the best advice i would give on this one... Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it...
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/23/2010 Posts: 63 Location: Kampala
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Cicero wrote:Other than for investors looking to diversify and despite the foundamentals of Kenya-Re including it's PE (or inspite of them), this would not be a counter i would advice anyone on. It is still lingering around it's IPO price many years on. Compare it with Equity!
I think a wait (outside) and see would be the best advice i would give on this one... I have come to learn that the best way to survive and make serious profits in the investing business is to spend all your investing time reading annual reports and spending as less time looking at the stock price as possible. I mean, the we only look at the stock price when it comes to comparing value with price. It has worked well for us over the past four years. I hope it doesn't change, and i doubt it'll ever.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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msimon wrote:Cicero wrote:Other than for investors looking to diversify and despite the foundamentals of Kenya-Re including it's PE (or inspite of them), this would not be a counter i would advice anyone on. It is still lingering around it's IPO price many years on. Compare it with Equity!
I think a wait (outside) and see would be the best advice i would give on this one... I have come to learn that the best way to survive and make serious profits in the investing business is to spend all your investing time reading annual reports and spending as less time looking at the stock price as possible. I mean, the we only look at the stock price when it comes to comparing value with price. It has worked well for us over the past four years. I hope it doesn't change, and i doubt it'll ever. Good one. Now based on your number crunching, whats your opinion of KenyaRe?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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With 6 shares that I have in kenya-re (3 shares on each of my 2 CDS accounts) I will be a life member in this company. However this is as far as it goes, if I had them I would quickly sell even if it is at a loss, and buy myself some new pants. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,782 Location: nairobi
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Gatheuzi wrote:With 6 shares that I have in kenya-re (3 shares on each of my 2 CDS accounts) I will be a life member in this company.
However this is as far as it goes, if I had them I would quickly sell even if it is at a loss, and buy myself some new pants.
with utmost respect i say to u. u will eat ua own words come endyear results COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 289
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@GATHEUZI I do agree with you in totality
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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With the release of a number of results from the insurance industry, it may be worthwhile revisiting the biggest reinsurer in the country.
The three insurance companies that have reported (PanAfric, Britak & Jubilee) have had a huge increase in profitability. The increase in profitability has come about to a large extent from an increase in their investment income. However, keen watchers of the industry will also note that there has been a healthy increase in premium income. A corollary of this is that the amount ceded to reinsurers has gone up. A significant portion of this goes to Kenya Re.
I assume (maybe I should pray) that Kenya Re is at least as efficient (or should I say no more inefficient) as it was last year, the above factors point to the possibility of a reasonable growth of profits at Kenya Re.
I am aware that Kenya Re is a dead counter as far as many Wazuans are concerned. All the same, it may just be worth a punt. After all on can aim for a modest 10% - 20% return with the release of results, if indeed my projections come to fruition. This of course presupposes that the bear market will not get any worse.
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