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Pyrabbit Schemes? Caveat Emptor?
chris79
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:08:16 PM
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@djinn I want to eat rabbit. If only I could get rabbit. I hear it tastes just like chicken Laughing out loudly
Pablo
#12 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:17:52 PM
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Actually one of my relatives in shaggs keeps rabbits and I know she makes about 20k monthly from their sale. She has about 100 at the moment.

I however know most of who buy from her are breeders not really butchers.
kadonye
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:30:31 PM
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There's an article in today's nation of a Kiambu woman who's making 200k p.m. from the 'pets'.She does not specify where she sells but says there's an org 4 assisting n encouraging new entrants in Central. I know a guy who has over 100 bt he sells to other breeders
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Djinn
#14 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:36:50 PM
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Pablo wrote:
Actually one of my relatives in shaggs keeps rabbits and I know she makes about 20k monthly from their sale. She has about 100 at the moment.

I however know most of who buy from her are breeders not really butchers.


@Pablo...EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. The Pyramid Scheme. Even in today's Nation (9 Sept 2010) there is an article about a lady who claims to make abt 50k per month from...drum roll...selling baby rabbits for 2,000 and adults for abt 5000...so back to my point...who is selling for meat...everyone is selling for breeding...in order to sell for breeding...in order to sell for breeding...but NOT for meat.

Where TF is all this meat then? I'd like to wager, given all the discussions, newspaper articles, etc etc that there might be more rabbit breeders than there are retailers. Hell, I think I could even go so far as to say that there are probably fewer farmers doing poultry farming - we can see where chickens and eggs go - perhaps half a million chickens are consumed in Nairobi every day and perhaps 2 million eggs every day....but...where are all these friggin rabbits?

I maintain this is all hype and all those who venture into it, on the premise that there is a market for meat, end up rearing rabbits for breeding and the cycle goes on and on and one and on and on...

Djinn
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:57:02 PM
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kadonye wrote:
There's an article in today's nation of a Kiambu woman who's making 200k p.m. from the 'pets'.She does not specify where she sells but says there's an org 4 assisting n encouraging new entrants in Central. I know a guy who has over 100 bt he sells to other breeders


@Kadonye - exactly! As Pablo said above and my response ....the chain is between breeders...not butchers...

I think we are getting somewhere - especially if we get such honest testimonials...

Djinn
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17:48 PM
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I won't let this thread atrophy and wilt away...just a quick update. Since I have not been able (yet) to go out there and ask serious questions, I decided to browse and google...

1 - http://www.startupbizhub...start-a-rabbit-farm.htm
This link is about rabbit farming basics and possibly a US based info portal....most of the questions there are posed by Kenyans and largely express interest in rabbit farming BUT also very telling are the posts that ask "where is the market?"...

2 - http://www.gentleaction....03/28/rabbits-in-kenya/

Again, many enquiries on rabbit farming...even as recent as last week. One person claims there is a market in China for a 40 foot container of frozen rabbit meat...hmmmm...OK, maybe there is an export market...but such providers would have to be really large scale producers (almost like Farmers' Choice)...

3 - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...osts&t=3361&p=4

This is the thread on Wazua abt rabbit farming....the last person to post on that thread is the same person to whom the queries above (item #2 above) are directed at and that person provides another link :
http://arc.peacecorpsconnect.org/view/653

and his comments and questions posed to him can also be found at:

http://www.gentleaction....03/28/rabbits-in-kenya/

4 - http://spore.cta.int/ind...226&id_publication=

Yet another think where everyone is "planning" to get into rabbit farming....no one really says much about selling and mostly about breeding...

5 - http://finance.groups.ya....com/group/rabbit4meat/

THIS IS INTERESTING - see the posted item "closing down" - click on it (I think you have to be signed into your yahoo account). Let me reproduce the text anyway:

"I have asked for somebody to take over the list/group but nobody seems to
volunteer.

I have decided now to close this group because I have been sick as you know for
6 months, and I may not be around after August. This is to inform you and thank
you for the information you provided to the list and to Kenyan members.

This list will now be closed and all achieves will now be deleted since nobody
else wants to manage it.

Good bye everyone and I hope that Kenyan rabbit breeders can now continue by
themselves, however the list will be deleted.

Very soon other lists will be deleted. And if you want to continue you have to
continue by yourself.

In a few days time I'm going to close all the yahoo-groups.

Good bye."



hmm...

Djinn
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:43:50 PM
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Rabbits are not good for the environment...at least not in Australia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia

....such that they had to introduce a virus to kill the population that had gone out of control...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

and its presently prohibited for pet owners to vaccinate their animals against myxomatosis in case the immunity is passed on to the wild populations...
Much Know
#18 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 11:17:27 AM
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http://www.businessdaily.../-/q0iu5uz/-/index.html

Had some rabbit today and i can tell you it is quite something. With the influx of Chinese into Kenya, prices and demand for all sorts of creatures is on the rise.
Ras Kienyeji Man
Djinn
#19 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 2:34:25 PM
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Much Know wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate%20News/Rabbit%20farmers%20line%20up%20Sh12%20bn%20processing%20plant/-/539550/1089374/-/item/1/-/q0iu5uz/-/index.html

Had some rabbit today and i can tell you it is quite something. With the influx of Chinese into Kenya, prices and demand for all sorts of creatures is on the rise.


@Much Know Shame on you I still have my doubts (in fact they have grown bigger)...sorry but this article has as much depth as a saucer...I guess an advertiser pulled out and BD needed to fill the space...

"Lucy Ndung’u, a member, also said some farmers are getting rabbit meat orders of 1,000 kilogrammes per week, but individually they cannot cope though a processing plant can easily meet the demand." Really? Really really?

"Ms Ndung’u says she has been receiving tenders from Safari Park Hotel, Tuskys and Naivas Supermarkets to supply the outlets with 1,500 kg of rabbit meat per week, but she has not been able to cope."

OK - someone please check at Tusky's and let us know... If you do get Rabbit meat, please take a picture and send it to forest.djinn@gmail.com and I will Zap you enough to buy a 5ltr Cellar Cask (white, no less, to go with your rabbit)
bwenyenye
#20 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 2:55:53 PM
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@Djinn

I see it differently. There is a alot of one to one sale of Rabbits. Thelack of these meats on the butcher shelves may be a huge market. I do not think all these guys who have been investing have been buring their fingers. If I could get a source, I would definitely give it a try. I last ate one when I was a rabbit farmer as a little boy. Rabbit eating isabit low now coz of the price. I think KShs2K is too high for a rabbit. I think it still is a breeders market. Eventually, tutazitafuna tu. kwani zitaenda wapi? Just be patient.
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