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Right time to buy shares
youcan'tstopusnow
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:09:46 AM
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sparkly, I agree.
When investing you shouldn't have such an attitude. The first rule should be never lose money. Hii si pata-potea
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sheep
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:41:41 AM
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Guys I would beg to differ..I think komera is in the right state of mind to invest.The market punishes natural optimists and more so pessimists,but gives richness to realists.

About the right time to buy...mmmhh I would say right now more of no than yes..

The historical P/E of the NSE has been around 10-12...right now its around 15...just above fair value...yet there are some stocks that present value...

Now lets study the most beautiful P/E chart ever made...though its for the S&P 500 but can apply with some fair degree of accuracy to the NASI

http://commons.wikimedia...of_Twenty-Year_Returns_(Shiller_Data).png

As you can see from the 20 yr charts investing when the market is at relatively high P/E guarantees little to -ve returns in the average lifespan of an investor...just imagine guys who bought stocks at the top in 1993-1994 when the index was at 5000pts they are yet to break even(incase they did not cost average)...in those days agricultural stocks were the hot stocks believe me you would have bought them and lost 90% of your money...banks and industrials were viewed with great suspicion...the average portfolio was heavily weighted in favor of Agri stocks...

but most investors believe they can beat the market year in year out but data speaks differently...unless you buy stocks when there seems to be little hope and fear is all around(like 2000-2002 and 2008-2009 period)your returns over a long period will just be a joke.


I suggest people read irrational exuberance by prof shiller written just before the bubble burst.

my two cents!!!
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
sheep
#23 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:00:56 AM
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oops hiyo link haifanyi...but you can find the charts under the "heading determining share prices" below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P/E_ratio
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
2012
#24 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:01:41 AM
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Kaufman wrote:
Do your own research or use a broker


Do your own research. Your broker is not an expert and can lead you astray, ask anyone.

BBI will solve it
:)
youcan'tstopusnow
#25 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:22:05 AM
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Kazi ya broker ni kuuza na kukununulia zile shares WEWE umesema. Nothing else.
I would urge you to be careful when placing your bids. Prices are normally volatile.
Let me use Unga example: You might check the prices at around midday and see it is trading at 12.80, lets say up 80 cents on the previous day's close. You rush to your brokers and place a bid of 13 bob and the share then close at 12.35. Shares normally lose steam during the latter stages of trading time (not always of course). Look at previous trading data (highs and lows)
With all this advice, you are ready to go. All the best and keep us posted.
Remember what Buffett said: "If to be a great investor you require to be good at algebra and calculus, I would go back to selling newspapers"
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komera
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:11:23 PM
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sparkly n youcantstopusnow, pliz guyz don confuse pessimism with realism. My statement started with I know i will lose in some counters, which is true or you guyz have always hit the jackpot with your buys. The point i tried to bring about is that even when losing, i should not give up but keep on keeping on. Know when to cut my losses but key thing never give up. Hope my point is more clear now.
VituVingiSana
#27 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:34:52 PM
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@the deal - Namibians are vicious... killing the seal babies!

http://www.africareview....6/-/10itwuk/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#28 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:09:25 PM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]@the deal - Namibians are vicious... killing the seal babies!

http://www.africareview..../-/10itwuk/-/index.html[/quote]

hehehe if u dont KILL those baby seals they will eat every fish in the ocean...people will loose jobs...the economy will go down...Bidvest Namibia will collapse...so its better to sacrifice thoz baby seals than the economy...after all we are just trying to ctrl their population not TERMINATE...
youcan'tstopusnow
#29 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:08:44 PM
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VVS, we are also killing baby goats and cows.
Not to mention burning people alive in churches.........
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
MaichBlack
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:26:55 PM
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2012 wrote:
Kaufman wrote:
Do your own research or use a broker


Do your own research. Your broker is not an expert and can lead you astray, ask anyone.

I agree with @2012 100%. Your broker makes money no matter how badly the market screws you! 2% when you buy, 2% when you sell - at a loss or otherwise. You tell me, if there is nothing 'good' to buy, will you broker tell you so? If it is not the best time to sell, will you broker tell you? Then what does he use to pay rent, salaries etc? Be very careful when dealing with brokers! Worst case scenario: Listen to them then COUNTER CHECK EVERYTHING they tell you! Best case scenario: Do your own research. Pesa ni yako!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
sparkly
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:04:06 PM
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komera wrote:
sparkly n youcantstopusnow, pliz guyz don confuse pessimism with realism. My statement started with I know i will lose in some counters, which is true or you guyz have always hit the jackpot with your buys. The point i tried to bring about is that even when losing, i should not give up but keep on keeping on. Know when to cut my losses but key thing never give up. Hope my point is more clear now.

@komera once again i beg you not to go to the stock market with that attitude. Sure, prices will go up or down but that does not mean you should be ready to accept negative returns. At the minimum you must earn the risk free return from your stock investments. You also aim to make an extra return to compensate yourself for risks taken. There are proven ways of assuring yourself a positive return so read and do research before jumping in. All the best.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:09:16 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VVS, we are also killing baby goats and cows.
Not to mention burning people alive in churches.........


Using @the deal logic... population control?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#33 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:39:09 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VVS, we are also killing baby goats and cows.
Not to mention burning people alive in churches.........


Using @the deal logic... population control?

Haha! By the way, read somewhere that Buffett has a charity organisation that supports the use of abortion as a means population control
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
obiero
#34 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:23:07 PM
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Was this case concluded

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ebenyo
#35 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:59:49 AM
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obiero wrote:
Was this case concluded



i have gone through the whole thread.The author just went quite.
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