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Safaricom: time to sell as Michael Joseph to retire at the end of 2010
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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No need to panick.It's a planned exit and there must be a succession plan in place. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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safaricom rules! LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/13/2008 Posts: 1,565
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I think irrespective of who is at the helm, the general market outlook for telco's is not too rosy....here is why:
1 - The regulation requiring the registration of all SIMS will cause a dip in subscriber numbers (and on the upside, operators will know who owes them allegiance out of the multiple SIM subscribers). Case in point, after similar legislation in RSA, between MTN and Voddacom, they lost abt 2 million subscribers (the positive effect is in a slightly increased ARPU - i.e. instead of djinn spending 1000 on Zain and 1000 on Yu - I spend 2000 on one network).
On this point, and looking at Safaricom's claim to 15 million SIMS, this will show real subscriber numbers - the use of 0700 prefix should indicate they have now 21 million subscribers (0720-0729 = 10 mill approx, 0710-0719 10 mill apporx) but really they have issued 21 million SIM cards (including half a dozen which I do not use from handset promotions over the last 6 years). So even with the 15 million, I do not think so - more like 12 million ACTIVE subscribers.
2 - There is very harsh competition in the data market (not just here but elsewhere). Right now the marketing of data is aimed at driving usage through bundles which is causing lower quality of service (both voice and data). Prices keep coming down, bundles grow bigger and bigger. Voice, SMS and Data bundles. So while the market base grows, the revenues will grow only very slightly - if the market base grows 20%, revenues may only be one third that. Pressures will continue to intensify as consumers demand more for less (as was the promise of fibre optics). To stay ahead more COSTLY investment is needed to migrate from GSM to UMTS, esp for data. On the upside, unified licences mean that mobile operators carry a big chunk of the consumer market (edging out AK and other such players).
3 - Mobile number portability - if this goes through as intended by CCK, it will give liberty to those subscribers who want to keep their number without enduring mediocre quality of service, non-existent customer service. I'd say some 10-15% will vote with their feet if this comes through.
My two bits.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/30/2006 Posts: 635
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There is a Chief Operating Officer at Safcom who goes by the name Peter Arina. He was meant to understudy his boss in line for taking over when he retires
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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gathinga wrote:There is a Chief Operating Officer at Safcom who goes by the name Peter Arina. He was meant to understudy his boss in line for taking over when he retires Fro SCOM website: "Chief Commercial Officer - Peter ArinaPeter Arina joined Safaricom in November 2004 as Chief Commercial Officer responsible for the Commercial Division which comprises the Marketing, Sales, Customer Management and Commercial Planning departments Mr. Arina previously worked in Unilever Kenya for 15 years having started his marketing and sales management career there in 1989. He gained extensive experience in Marketing and Sales through holding various positions in those functions. He became the Customer Development Director (Sales Director) reporting to the Chief Executive Officer (East Africa) in May 2001, a position he held until October 2004. Mr. Arina is a Kenyan citizen and holder of a Bachelor of Commerce (Marketing) degree from the University of Nairobi." He is not the COO!!! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 1,267
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adds no plata in my kitchen...better still Im out of stocks till 2013...I feel nothing...Safcom has been fleecing us to make supernormal profits ....Yu and Orange are now the networks ya Mwananichi Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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The market has valued MJ at 5cents!! That is how much the stock has lost following the news!! MJ, oruch!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/17/2009 Posts: 1,619
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@GG,muliply that by the 40 billion safcom shares.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 1,267
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GG The fall may not be necessarily due to MJ exit....there is a general fall in the share prices this week. the indices have been falling...why , I dont know... Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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The prices are falling because there are unofficial/official market makers, the boards supply and demand behavior on a number of stocks in the market seems to be market made by someone as the changes are too curious, one day 5m to 3m next 19m to 20m etc A New Kenya
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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@GG 5 cents x 40bn = 2bn... That is more than my entire clan's net worth!!! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Despite the prevailing bull run, safaricom has been rather quiet. Can we point fingers here. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/20/2010 Posts: 27 Location: kenya
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change is good it the high time we got someone new at that place. i appreciate that MJ has done alot for the company but it time to leave hi legacy intact..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Nandwa wrote: Despite the prevailing bull run, safaricom has been rather quiet. Can we point fingers here.
@nandwa safcom already had its price rise most of last year and this current bull run belonged to the laggard stocks of the market... safcoms price is obviously waiting for the results though it might rise a bit more just before Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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Let me argue my point differently. Scon lost less than 1% of its value on the news of the retirement. @fundaah made it worse by saying the drop was due to other forces, not MJ. This means MJ has no 'CEO effect' on scon. So why have we always said that scon = MJ and MJ = scon???
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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@GG - Just the news... not even the actual retirement causes 2bn drop... that is saying something? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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GG & VVS, you are onto something there....is there any precedent in the markets where a dip is experienced on the actual date of the handover? In short, can we say that's it, when we are done and dusted the market merely shrugged off MJ's departure as inconsequential?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/12/2007 Posts: 75
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Safcom = MJ/MJ = Safcom. This is the testimonial of any employee.
Safcom is where it is today because of MJ through his has hands-on management approach to all aspects of its operations and bare knuckle - no holds barred approach towards the competition.
Will the new CEO have these traits or pick them up? It is very unlikely but the new CEO might come up with other better strategies.
Apple runs from the blood of Steve Jobs. His health has been pivotal to Apple, both on technology and market value. The detachment of MJ and Safcom is therefore overdue.
Unfortunately, its value will take a hit until his successor can show his ability to maintain or improve the state of affairs.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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when Eric Kimani left sameer question was does a company make a man or the man the company? same when mugo kibati left EA Cables, same was the uchumi inside trade when he left kcb... I know there is no parallels here but... Mj really fouled up when sometime last year got into jet hoping to "lure" foreigners to invest in safcon share. It is NOT the business of CEO's to excite shareholders!..bottomline...superprofits are unsustainable..with all the media circus safcom has done in advertising over 2009..i'm really keen to see what the impact on profitability is.. Whatever the financials..divide by 40 freakin billion..then see how many shares u need to have inorder to get a satisfatory proprtion in earnings.. ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16 - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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yep! by all metrics Safcom is overvalued. The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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