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NSE and the unfolding political drama
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 11:23:57 AM
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@fundaah - We have suicides in Kenya like Robert Ouko & 'sudden or/& mysterious death'...

(For those who dont get it... I am being sarcastic)

Unfortunately, these deaths only happen to the real patriots (remember the goldenberg whistleblower) or clean (the deputy CBK governor who took on anglo-fleecing)...

The crooks live long lives... dan moi, pattni, kenyatta, somaia, kamotho, kamani, gichuru...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Chaka
#22 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 12:43:40 PM
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Does MK and his advisers know the difference between a supension and a sack?
2012
#23 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 12:51:50 PM
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Chaka wrote:
Does MK and his advisers know the difference between a supension and a sack?


I'm sure they know. And RO can go ahead and suspend Ruto and othe Pentagon or ODM members at will but when he touches the PNU side then it's not business as usual and he knew it.

Why couldn't RO just consult and maybe MK would have had the opportunity to advised Ongeri to step aside honorably first like Kimunya and bring him back later instead of face humiliation?

BBI will solve it
:)
McReggae
#24 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 12:55:31 PM
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2012, only those who wanna see humiliation are seeing:
To supervise is:
to watch over an activity or task being carried out by somebody and ensure that it is performed correctly. It also means to be in charge of a group of people engaged in an activity or task and keep order or ensure that they perform it correctly

To cordinate is :
to organize a complex enterprise in which numerous people are involved and bring their contributions together to form a coherent or efficient whole. It also means to make parts move together: to make moving parts such as parts of the body work together in sequence or in time with one another.... See More

It is clear that Raila can discipline...... Ask Kibaki what is to supervise and Cordinate....
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
2012
#25 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 1:43:32 PM
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McReggae wrote:
2012, only those who wanna see humiliation are seeing:
To supervise is:
to watch over an activity or task being carried out by somebody and ensure that it is performed correctly.



My friend, we all know that RO is just spoiling for a fight. All I'm saying is it is wise taking on fights that you can win. Mutahi Ngunyi got it spot on in yesterday's Nation 'RO is being set up, he has a loud roar, but that's all. Good plans but poor execution.
Let's not kid ourselves, this is all politics at play otherwise RO should have been the 1st to resign over the maize scandal.

BBI will solve it
:)
the sage
#26 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 1:56:35 PM
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@Mugunda summarised it but he forgot something. Taxes are paid by the middle and upper class, the political class's action is theft for my taxes which I do not even bergain, double theft if you ask me.
But people ought to wise up, all these guys are buddies the take to heart the credo; no permanent enemies just interests. Ithink Kenya's lack of eduaction, even within the middle and upper class as betrayed by this post, shows that we are still not ready for a democracy.
Agra
#27 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:03:12 PM
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Should citizen and Ktn be sued for showing wrong prices in their live feeder.For instance citizen was showing mumias was trading at 7.30 and it had dropped 2.50 shillings i almost got a stroke!
It's easy for investors to get emotional and prejudiced when trading, but computers don't
AmHere
#28 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:03:27 PM
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If you cant respect the constitution, then it is hard to be trusted as a future Commander In Chief. What will happen tomorrow, the PM fires the Chief of General Staff or dissolves the entire Cabinet?

Without respect for the constitution there is no country.

Which is why we all need to participate in changing the katiba and get rid of what we are unhappy with. But I have an ominous feeling on the fate of the constitution...and it will have a lot to do with what happened over the last 2 weeks.
Jaguar
#29 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:07:25 PM
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Prime Minister Raila Odinga was informed of the complicity of his senior staff in the maize scandal in 2008 but did not act, it was claimed yesterday.

The former head of protocol in the PM’s office, Mr Tony Gachoka, claims he was hounded out of office for demanding that Permanent Secretary Mohammed Isahakia and Raila’s PA, Mr Caroli Omondi, clear their names over the scam. more from the standard
mkonomtupu
#30 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:15:48 PM
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Now RAO has declared a dispute in the coalition government and invites African union and Kofi Annan to mediate. Looks like he was taking it serious. What's the bigger picture here? Scuttle the draft constitution
the sage
#31 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:20:59 PM
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@AmHere, not really Britain doesn't have a constitution.
muganda
#32 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:21:20 PM
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@mkonomtupu, source please?
mkonomtupu
#33 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:26:32 PM
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Muganda, that's RAO's party ODM thro' Musalia, source Capital FM and Daily Nation. Do we really need Kofi Annan back here?
FundamentAli
#34 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:29:14 PM
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@mkonomtupu

I thought the coalition has its own mechanism of resolving disputes enshrined in the accord. What has happened? Is our man alone in this committee and therefore he has to look elsewhere beyond the accord?

Bringing in AU will be hard. The issue of soveriegnity is taken very seriously. The other principal is the only one with authority to invite foriegners over local matters like he did during the PEV era.
muganda
#35 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:36:20 PM
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the sage wrote:
@Muganda summarised it but he forgot something. Taxes are paid by the middle and upper class, the political class's action is theft for my taxes...


@mkonomtupu thanks, @sage interesting; my point on the other post was it's easy to forget the issue and focus on politics. Now "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." ~Ernest Benn

See how much has been spent on 'nation building' today - politics takes us nowhere. It would have been much better if they were fired - positive result - and then you leave politicians figuring out the politics as I believe happened in the judiciary purge or KICC.
AmHere
#36 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:38:26 PM
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@the sage - I am well aware of that. My point is let us sort out the constitution or if you may, the principles that define the structure of government. Then we can finally get rid of these 2 centres of confusion and be weaned off Annan-dependency.

http://www.capitalfm.co....n-over-dispute-7481.html
mkonomtupu
#37 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 2:47:45 PM
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I have just been looking at the constitution and the national accord Act(which is part of our const). Available at kenyalaw. section 6 The coalition shall stand dissolved if 10th parliament is dissolved, the coalition parties agree in writing or one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition by a resolution of the highest decision-making organ of that party in writing.
Section 8 The Act shall cease to apply upon dissolution of 10th parliament or a new constitution is enacted whichever is earlier.
What's your interpretation?
VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 3:22:27 PM
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Agra wrote:
Should citizen and Ktn be sued for showing wrong prices in their live feeder.For instance citizen was showing mumias was trading at 7.30 and it had dropped 2.50 shillings i almost got a stroke!

Do you pay KTN or Citizen for the service? Then probably no...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 3:25:05 PM
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Overall... in some form or fashion 2012 is here...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Zakumi
#40 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 4:43:17 PM
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One can only hope that Raila's sojourn to the Thailand will act to cool off the political temperature he raised and bring sanity to the market.Atleast this will give investors time to cut their losses at the NSE because for sure there is no end in sight for this political game of musical chairs,not until after 2012 and that is assuming that it wont come earlier.
The Strong Do What They Want,The Weak Do What They Must!
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