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NSE SHARES PERFORMANCE: THREE YEAR FORECAST WITH 2012 IN MIND
sheep
#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:09:00 PM
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In 1992 and 1997 the bourse performed very well.Infact in 97 it was one of the best performers in the world.2002 lows was because of the dotcom bubble.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
Cicero
#22 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:10:46 PM
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@the deal, i will consider following your advice on Kengen (out), housing finance(in) etc, but dont you think it's better to wait for this FY's (upto june 2010) results (read recovery year) so that i can see what the promise is like going forward?

As for selling in 2011 as opposed to 2012, i will take it in advisement. I think guys may have to sink t'least half their holdings in land around around Nairobi (upto Kitengela)and then pray for there to be trouble, for people to migrate, and consequently for land prices to go up like happened 2008. The other half can be kept in hand to buy NSE shares November 2012 to January 2013 if there is no smell of trouble in the horizon ...
Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it...
the deal
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:37:46 AM
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@ cicero i hate how politics determines one's life in kenya...how did kenya end up creating powerful politicians(mafias) who run around with so much impunity that they think they own kenya...from a foreigners perspective i'm only here till 2011...
mkonomtupu
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:54:13 AM
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Kengen is a tricky stock. Long term it looks viable looking at the "good to great" transformation strategy. New power plants coming up so KPLC has to pay better. On the debt side it seems they were not prepared for so much cash. They are now recruiting corporate finance guys to help manage the treasury operations and tax. I would keep it as a short-term speculative stock.
guru267
#25 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:01:53 AM
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@cicero i've just read this thread and your portfolio is very interesting...
if you have 2012 in sights then you should then in my view:
try and get out of:
kengen: prolonged low EPS and large debt but its good for a 10 year play
sasini:very volatile earnigs and very low interest in it as a counter

but for the rest hold them because;
KQ: air traffic is predicted to be higher on its routes than it has ever been plus its expansion but be weary about oil prices
Equity and KCB: they will benefit hugely from any economic growth estimated at.(4% this year and above 6% next year)
kenya re; it will benefit from world recovery and pick up in intl. trade due to its intl. exposure
mumias and EABL: will greatly benefit from the ever growing middle class
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#26 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:12:26 AM
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from my observation it looks like most wazurians are looking at 2012 as a time to sell because of 2007..
but one cant look at 2012 in this context because the catastrophe in 2007 was as a result of the incumbent trying to hold on to power..
but no one will try and hold on to power in 2012 and there will be a new constitution...

i would be one of the only ones to compare 2012 to 2002 and not 2007
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mkonomtupu
#27 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:32:54 AM
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The lesson from 2008 PEV is that kenyans have no appetite for prolonged crisis. Remember people calling radio stations to complain they don't have airtime or how they missed the new years bash. I think the middle-class is strong enough to ensure stability. Anyway geo-politically kenya is too strategic to be allowed to fail. 2012 is time to buy just like 2002 KQ was 7/-
2012
#28 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:36:21 AM
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@guru.
2008 did not happen because the incumbent was trying to hold on to power. It was tribal war. Moi held on to power twice after defeat but we didn't fight. Peace in 2012 will not be determined by a new constitution because as Mutahi Ngunyi keeps saying - there's nothing wrong with the constitution it's not adhering to it (impunity).
If we are unable to convince the foreign investors that the elections will be peaceful they will pull out in early 2012.

BBI will solve it
:)
guru267
#29 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:05:04 AM
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@2012.. the conflict started the day after the poll results were announced and ended the day after the coalition was formed on paper and that can hardly be called tribal wars... and let us not forget what happened in 1992...
the conflict was very political but it just so happened that the two parties were supported by different tribes..
but with 2012 no one will be seeking re-election and conflict usually arises when the incumbent doesnt want to leave..

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:08:33 AM
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KKK is already arming up... the jamaa in Narok with 100,000 bullets...
How could he have collected 100,000 bullets without the knowledge of the top brass?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Cicero
#31 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:13:32 AM
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@guru267thank you for the advice & the other honourable wazurians. Infact, i will get rid of sasini & kengen n report back say in a wks time. The i'll get more into KQ, safaricon & any other u may advice. I quite 4got 2ask about CMC. They sold quite a number of cars to Uhuru but they dont seem 2b making headways much. Will they in the medium term? Buy or sell now? What about the cable guys? there was a time that share was hot too ... betcha some of ya fellas made good ol' killin' those days ...
Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it...
guru267
#32 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:08:05 AM
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@cicero CMC may look good at first glance but i'm not sure about its future... the second hand market for cars in kenya is growing exponentially and GOK is going for cheap cars.. this doesnt paint a rosy picture for them especially for growth..

On the other hand cables may have a bright future especially with the massive investments that are and will take place in the energy sector in the near future..

but for figures please do your research especially on their cash flow and balance sheets...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
2012
#33 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:19:47 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@2012.. the conflict started the day after the poll results were announced and ended the day after the coalition was formed on paper and that can hardly be called tribal wars... and let us not forget what happened in 1992...
the conflict was very political but it just so happened that the two parties were supported by different tribes..
but with 2012 no one will be seeking re-election and conflict usually arises when the incumbent doesnt want to leave..


@guru
People didn't just wake up one day and decided to fight. It was planned long before. The reason I say it was tribal is for the obvious reason that the militia were organised in tribal groupings. If you read the reports, no two tribes joined forces. There was nothing political in 2008, let's not confuse tribal chiefs for politicians. Politicians fight for agendas and beliefs not self gratification.

Ooops! This threads is turning into politics. My apologies, let's go back to the issue at hand.

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:34:48 AM
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mitumba cars have been a threat to the new motor vehicle business for years...

CMC sells more than new cars. It also sells agricultural equipment & construction equipment. These tend to be new since the needs are much tougher.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#35 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:54:16 AM
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@VVS the threat of mitumba has always been there but in the last 3 or so years it has really grown(just move around nai, kisumu and nakuru)...and thats why i dont see GROWTH in profits unless the wages of wanjikus goes up... but CMC does have its part of market
i agree with the agric. and construction equipment but are these really significant to the p&l????
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:07:10 AM
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@guru - Please read the Annual Report for CMC... then you can discuss their sales better...

Your comment/question "agric. and construction equipment but are these really significant to the p&l????" will be answered (or at least you can compare revenues) after you look at the Annual Report.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#37 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:40:20 AM
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Your comment/question


@VVS it was a question!! CMC is not really a company of my interest so i'm not so together with the figures or sources of revenue..
but i was just trying to help @cicero from a macroeconomic point of view.. thats why i insisted research should be done into facts and figures...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mkonomtupu
#38 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:48:00 AM
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Cicero, why would you buy safaricom with P/E of 20.38. That's too high even for a speculative stock. I refused to buy at IPO and got them at 2.92 in May last year exited at 5.2. If the foreigners exit in 2011 you end up with a really expensive stock.
guru267
#39 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:01:10 AM
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@mkono i agree safcom looks really highly priced right now but you're thinking like a value investor what your not considering is that it has a very high projected growth curve because of the massive investments its been carrying out for the last two years so its a darling for growth investors...

if you are looking 5 years out this still remains as a perfect play.. and if foreigners kill it in 2011.. that just becomes more buying oppurtunity for me...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#40 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:04:16 AM
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@mkono growth counters tend to have a high p/e eg. ARM, Access, Bamburi, safcom, etc
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