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The Mbuta of Mau Forest
Ngalaka
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2009 9:34:33 AM
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@Nothingstop

So whose position btwn Uhurus and Railas do you support.
Uhuru says not paying.
Raila says pay up!
Cant have your cake and eat it.
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aemathenge
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2009 9:49:08 AM
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... subject to availability of funds.

Do the payments have a deadline? Can they be paid, for example, on 17th November 3090?

Just a thought.
aemathenge
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:52:26 PM
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Mr. Ibrahim Mwathane, on his article on page 13 of Nation on 24th December 2009, brings out another angle to this scenario altogether.

Can Mutukufu Rais make an Executive Order repossessing Mau like he did Kenyatta International Conference Center from Kenya African National Union?
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2009 9:42:34 PM
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RAO is NOT supporting the payout...

(poor PR from RAO's camp... RAO needs Salim Lone back!)

but stating that uhuru (the son of Kenya's #1 landgrabber who sees repossession as a threat to his family's stolen wealth) supported compensation in parliament.

At the least, uhuru did not oppose the compensation bill in parliament while RAO did...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Njung'e
#15 Posted : Friday, December 25, 2009 5:24:19 AM
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@VVS,
The issue here is not who is supporting what.It is morally wrong to compensate this Mbutas.As Ma-he-goat is won't to say,pay them in 3020 or ask Baba Simama (I always thought the boy was not standing...smile )to make an executive order.
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kadonye
#16 Posted : Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:21:35 PM
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Let the gvt pay. The gvt should avoid unnecesary litigation which wil delay the reaforestation process
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Much Know
#17 Posted : Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:40:30 AM
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Kadonye thats a lie. KICC (as aemathenge illustrated) is worth more than the 2billion being talked about here. The same Mbuta were kicked out by the government and run to court, but what has happened so far? Kick them out and start reforesting, let the mbuta waste time in court as the trees grow. By the time they are being heard some of us omena may have become mbuta and will place new roadblocks.
Ras Kienyeji Man
sparkly
#18 Posted : Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:25:00 AM
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@intelligentsia...it is the AG who legitimized the titles in the first place... Pray, tell us how
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Intelligentsia
#19 Posted : Monday, December 28, 2009 7:40:24 AM
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@sparkly... I stand to be corrected but Mau was initially gazetted land that had to be de-gazetted as a forest land before title deeds were issued. Part of the land was actually meant for the Ogiek jamaaz before it was stolen frm them. Too many legal requirements had to be followed to allow degazettement of the forest from a protectd land gazetted as a forest, change of user, to finally title deeds to be issued in favour of Moi and the creme de creme of his govt.of the time. Wako was not aware/ facilitating all this time as the govt legal adviser when Mau land was being dished out like confetti to a good chunk of the entire govt?
Even the then Commish of Lands (that Gachanja fellow?)and the MP for Lands must answer qstns of abuse of office for allowing that to happen under their watch. 'Following orders from above' is no longer an excuse since the Nuremberg Trials if the law is unjust and you have a personal responsibility as well for your actions even if following orders.

@kadonye - can't pay, won't pay, shouldn't pay. Yes, the sanctity of a title deed is final and should be legally unassailable but this applies only to a title deed that has been legally acquired in a transparent and legal manner and the owner therefore has inherited a good and clear title to the document. Not same for the Mau ones.
Iganamagana
#20 Posted : Monday, December 28, 2009 9:42:23 AM
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Raila and Uhuru are just doing what they are good at - switching positions when it is convinient. Why pay the robbers? Incidentally, the Kenyatta family owns a tea plantation in Thika District (the old Thika/Kiambu district) that is clearly inside a forest reserve (Aberdare forest next to Gakoe village). Can they explain how they acquired this piece of Land? It should be repossesed urgently. The same should apply to Nyayo Tea zones. They (the Tea Zones) were curved out of Forest Reserves under the guise of protecting the same forests. What an irony?
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