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transCentury selling its shares OTC
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:46:00 AM
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Where can I get a prospectus? Online?

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stonemimi
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22:00 AM
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@vitu

There is no prospectus. I have been following this offer and still have'nt got all information.

For example,the accounts for the company for the year ended Dec 2008 are not yet out. So,you'll have to base your decisions on the results of 2007.

Further,it is now clear to me that,last year,TCL wanted to raise Ksh 3.2 B by inviting a select investor group to its membership. The minimum investment was put at sh 1 M @ sh 50 per share (new ordinary shares).

I do not know how successiful that was. That issue was supposed to be a pre-listing opportunity. The company anticipated to list by end of this year.
tonicasert
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:17:00 PM
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@ Sasha

You made my otherwise dull afte! LOL
VituVingiSana
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:51:00 PM
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@stonemimi - 2007 was a blockbuster year for many investment firms... Using 2007's results means buying at the top of the market.

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Gordon Gekko
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:21:00 PM
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OTC - I have very bad memories of it. From that time they planted a bomb meant for JM.
Manja Investor
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:26:00 PM
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After all Pretty is not so young as she has made us believe.She knows the bus company OTC hehehehe
stonemimi
#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48:00 AM
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@vitu

I agree with you,but am still wondering what could be cooking. any company that aspires to go public has to win trust and confidence of that public. Now,results of year 2008 are not released by Oct of 2009. That puts me off.
Wendz
#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21:00 AM
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Here's their portfolio - it could help you make an informed judgement depending on what they are into.

http://www.transcentury.co.ke/portfolio.asp

I think generally,the confidence in equity market is low and going public now wouldnt make sense. the other alternative for them to raise money cheaply is by going OTC. Looking into it in a positive way,they could just be rationalising their investments by trying to acquire cheaper funds instead of taking up the loans at currently high interest rates.

their portfolio doesnt look that bad to me except for the RVR.

I wouldnt really say they will be irrelevant come 2013 coz i know those in Kenyatta era are still relevant today..... all these goons in power are cut from the same cloth and even if we change guard at the house on the hill,if the occupant or his cronies are given a 5% shareholding in Tanelec,you think they will touch these companies? Never! In any case,they all have interests so dont rule them out any time soon... they arent stupid either and the promoters know how to play in rough waters.

Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.
KulaRaha
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49:00 AM
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I understand they are having major cashflow issues...too much investment in rubbish (RVR) on borrowed funds,no flows to pay for interest leave alone principal.

As for 2013,they may be around,but do you really think they will be getting all the juicy contracts anymore? They're already struggling,look at Flashcom (which I understand is a very related company),who cant even pay their tiny share of TEAMS and are delaying the rollout.


Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Mainat
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:27:00 AM
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Though an importnat consideration,I think we are overdramatising the 2012 effect given these dudes came together in 1997 and many are still unknown even today.

Instead,if any of you has received the prospectus (including 2008 AR),please either give us some excerpts here or fwd to us and we can have an investment discussion.


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KulaRaha
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:42:00 AM
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MainaT,from 1997 to 2003 they did nothing......

from 2003 to 2007 they borrowed like fiends,pumped and dumped EA Cable shares and bought everything in sight.

From 2008 to date,they have defaulted on loans and spent all their time fund raising.

Its like buying shares in Hosea Kiplagat's company that supplied KPLC poles...where is he now?


Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Mainat
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:53:00 AM
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Kularaha- a little OTT with some grains of truth. Its good to be dispassionate when investing though...consider the following


EA Cables only has like 20% KPLC supply contract
Tanelec/Chai Bora- TZ therefore no real impact from Gen Kig heading 2 othaya
Kewberg-SA ditto
Development Bank of Kenya - its a small bank

If recall information memorandum from the first placement,EA Cables is still the largest piece in the portfolio,,but its now an regional not Kenyan busi.

So where is the political risk? Btw,Carol musyoka is a director of TC?




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KulaRaha
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:00:00 AM
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EA Cables: recently lost their supply contract to KLPC to Metsec. Understand that helped the exit of the Canadian Manager...

TZ: largely irrelevant,a small market with no real impact on anything.

SA:this I wait to see. After Olympia,I would really love to see these guys in a market where calls to State House dont count (at least not for them).

DBK: desperately looking for a buyer. Any buyers?? Anyone?? Please??

RVR: The Achilles Heel

Flashcom: hmmmm,cant pay for TEAMS,holding back progress,but still important because of political connections

Seven Seas Tech: another one implimenting high tech solutions in low tech enviroments (like ministries,parastatals). Being avoided by the corporate world.



Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Mainat
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:11:00 AM
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Correction: EA Cables lost KPLC last yr. DBK is too small. RVR is an issue (hence why we need 2008 to see if TC has written down the cost similar to Centum).


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gathinga
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39:00 AM
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how about Wananchi Online Ltd
KulaRaha
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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Wananchi....issues with cable being run on KPLC poles...anyone with an unpdate on that story?

Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
stonemimi
#37 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:44:00 AM
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TCL Top 10 shareholders





NameNN



DiDirectorship



Shareholding (%)





James Mungai Gachui



Yes



8.4%





Peter Tirus Kanyago



Yes



7.6%





Michael Gitau Waweru



No



6.5%





Zephaniah Mbugua



Yes



6.4%





Edward Njoroge



No



6.2%





Jimnah Mbaru



No



6.1%





Ndungu Gathinji



No



6.0%





Ephraim Kareithi Njogu



No



5.1%





Stephen Waruhiu



No



4.8%





Peter Mbogua



No



4.7%





Total



61.8%




stonemimi
#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:59:00 AM
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Kshs &lsquo;000Ppp



Group





Year ended 31 December



2004



2005



2006



2007





Revenue







1,319,088



2,156,919



4,202,271





Cost of sales







(808,714)



(1,379,738)



(2,816,096)





Gross profit







510,374



777,181



1,386,175



























Profit from operations



176,582



287,709



935,931



1,190,311





Acquisition premium







41,782







386,792





Net finance costs







(11,022)



(68,175)



(159,685)





Profit before tax



176,582



318,469



867,752



1,417,418





Taxation



(58,600)



(83,942)



(138,592)



(248,477)





Profit after tax



117,982



234,527



729,160



1,168,741





Attributable to:





















Equity holders



87,912



180,486



620,944



981,978





Minority interest



30,070



54,041



108,216



186,763





Profit for the year



117,982



234,527



729,160



1,168,741




VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:20:00 AM
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Cash vs TC Shares today? Stay in cash

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Mainat
#40 Posted : Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:28:00 AM
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Stonemimi- i take it the yes are those selling some of their holdings. Correct? The real clincher imho,will be the 2008 numbers bcos that is where all investment firms worldwide either had write-downs or so a seriuos downturn in profits.

Wananchi was James Gachui's venture,but he hasn't held a controlling stake for a while and is now effectively been sold to Emerging Capital Partners


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