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hamburglar
#21 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:31:00 AM
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2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.


It may look that way now, but when you allow the devil a foot in.... it's just a matter of time...


Fortunately for us, we don’t believe in that imaginary god and devil nonsense.
Lolest!
#22 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:05:44 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.

What's the difference? One man says 'Hey, I'm naturally attracted to other men's

Another says, 'That 🐐, isn't she pretty? Why would I want a human female? Please , gimme a goat, I naturally feel so! It's my choice!'


Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word consent.

How do you know nanny goat did not consent?

Does the goat consent to giving you milk or dying so that you enjoy nyamchom?
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hamburglar
#23 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:53:17 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.

What's the difference? One man says 'Hey, I'm naturally attracted to other men's

Another says, 'That 🐐, isn't she pretty? Why would I want a human female? Please , gimme a goat, I naturally feel so! It's my choice!'


Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word consent.

How do you know nanny goat did not consent?

Does the goat consent to giving you milk or dying so that you enjoy nyamchom?


We eat animals to survive, we don’t need to have sex with animals to survive. Big difference. Even in the primitive jungles, lions eat buffaloes without their consent to perpetrate their survival......but you’ll never see them trying to have sex with an antelope because their is no dire need for that. It’s called survival, the most basic of instincts. Sexual gratification in the absence of consent is a crime. It has a fancy name nowadays, it’s called RAPE.

But anyway, to each their own, it’s already enough of an insult to compare atheism to pedophilia and beastiality. Like really???
Kusadikika
#24 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 2:39:23 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/22/2008
Posts: 2,703
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.

What's the difference? One man says 'Hey, I'm naturally attracted to other men's

Another says, 'That 🐐, isn't she pretty? Why would I want a human female? Please , gimme a goat, I naturally feel so! It's my choice!'


Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word consent.

How do you know nanny goat did not consent?

Does the goat consent to giving you milk or dying so that you enjoy nyamchom?


We eat animals to survive, we don’t need to have sex with animals to survive. Big difference. Even in the primitive jungles, lions eat buffaloes without their consent to perpetrate their survival......but you’ll never see them trying to have sex with an antelope because their is no dire need for that. It’s called survival, the most basic of instincts. Sexual gratification in the absence of consent is a crime. It has a fancy name nowadays, it’s called RAPE.

But anyway, to each their own, it’s already enough of an insult to compare atheism to pedophilia and beastiality. Like really???


Reductio ad absurdum.
"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?" Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.
Angelica _ann
#25 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 2:56:33 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
Kusadikika wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.

What's the difference? One man says 'Hey, I'm naturally attracted to other men's

Another says, 'That 🐐, isn't she pretty? Why would I want a human female? Please , gimme a goat, I naturally feel so! It's my choice!'


Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word consent.

How do you know nanny goat did not consent?

Does the goat consent to giving you milk or dying so that you enjoy nyamchom?


We eat animals to survive, we don’t need to have sex with animals to survive. Big difference. Even in the primitive jungles, lions eat buffaloes without their consent to perpetrate their survival......but you’ll never see them trying to have sex with an antelope because their is no dire need for that. It’s called survival, the most basic of instincts. Sexual gratification in the absence of consent is a crime. It has a fancy name nowadays, it’s called RAPE.

But anyway, to each their own, it’s already enough of an insult to compare atheism to pedophilia and beastiality. Like really???


Reductio ad absurdum.
"If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?" Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.


So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Tokyo
#26 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:02:29 PM
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People should be free to love any consenting adult regardless of the gender.
A good day to LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 communities
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Lolest!
#27 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:51:49 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?
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Angelica _ann
#28 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:25:42 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Kusadikika
#29 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:18:57 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/22/2008
Posts: 2,703
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.
Lolest!
#30 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:06:22 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.

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Taurrus
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:19:40 PM
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and if l may ask,what is the relationship between loving and sex? must one sex everything that one has a feeling for?
Angelica _ann
#32 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:33:21 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.

Well saidApplause Applause


And highlights religion hippocrates. By the way who sets global standards for morals etc
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Impunity
#33 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:48:34 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.

Well saidApplause Applause


And highlights religion hippocrates. By the way who sets global standards for morals etc


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masukuma
#34 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:55:02 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,821
Location: Nairobi
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.


You are right! the reason why we feel "in our bones" when we hear of matapakas could result from 2 reasons (or a combination of both)
1) We had a group of people who were wired to committing incest and they ended up creating some inbred weaklings. Folks that were somehow naturally disgusted with that whole concept ended up with stronger individuals. The Stronger individuals survived better and got more mates and passed down their genes that got repulsed at these incestuous relationships.
2) Perhaps we all have it in us and that after realizing that if people engaged in incest we ended up creating a narrative and thus we have been passing down this narrative. In this case “it’s wrong” simply because WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IT'S BAD.
3) Perhaps it’s a mix of the 2 – we have it in our genes (some of us) and we have kept it at by our narratives. When the inbreds or homosexuals died off – we created a narrative that their act pissed off someone divine and he wiped them off the face of the earth.

It’s true that even the most liberal of us have been taught something. Even the most liberal are conservatives to something. That's how it works - the reason we can have moral feelings about things diminish is because morals don't exist on their own. they are not ingrained in us... not like the need for an infant to clutch onto a nipple or cry when hungry. we are taught most things. But we need to understand that these things - the ones that make us feel repulsed or attracted to things are actually taught to us - they are by no means useless or a nuisance... not all of them at least. Perhaps a good question to ask is
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE GOT RID OF THESE ASPECTS OF OUR MORALS?
when we live in a world of... matapakas? and everyone is OK with it? In the same way Indians marry their cousins and ancient Egyptians married their sisters and brothers. What would be the negative outcome?
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2012
#35 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:42:59 AM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists...


...then the witches and devil worshipers and beastialitists and paedofiles can follow after you..


Your level of ignorance is very unfortunate.


It may look that way now, but when you allow the devil a foot in.... it's just a matter of time...


Fortunately for us, we don’t believe in that imaginary god and devil nonsense.


I know. Atheism is in the Bible too. It's the devil's weapon. First he creates doubt, assures you of increased wisdom the you bite the fruit.

BBI will solve it
:)
2012
#36 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:51:52 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.

Well saidApplause Applause


Very true. Homosexuality should be like prostitution, we all know it exists but you cannot legalize it neither can you legalize incest or beastiality even if the goat is your property.

BBI will solve it
:)
wukan
#37 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2019 12:01:44 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,595
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?


No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.


It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.


The fabric of human society is woven more around tolerance and eliminating the more aggressive members of society than morals. The story of sodom was more about the rape of visitors(aggression)than gay acts.

If you were in Sodom and Gomorrah you would want the constitution of Sodom to also protect you if you wanted to engage in straight sex. Just imagine if Mungiki or al-shabaab enacted their own moral code and forced you to live under it. Would you agree to have your daughter circumcised just because the majority felt repugnant towards uncircumcised girls?

Human beings and morals. See the story of Lot daughters who had witnessed the destruction of Sodom
Quote:
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.
AlphDoti
#38 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2019 12:11:06 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:

So lGBTQ+ and these thieves plundering resources all over the place, which is worse. Thou shall not steal.

Is plunder legal?

No & that is exactly my point. We worry about non issues, while lengairing the issues we need to deal with. We concentrate our energies in the wrong direction.

It is not worrying. It is about the nature of human beings to have moral feelings about anything. You might not have them against homosexuals but many people do and society has to contend with the moral repugnance not of the act itself but of the fact that a majority of the population feel it. The fabric of society is woven with thousands of these repugnancies that people accept as just the way things are and they make every society what it is.

Even the most liberal and irreligious people have some moral boundaries that they would not cross. Here is an example: Man is married to a woman when they are both 19. They have a son. They are a loving family. When they reach 40 the son is 21. Son is single. Man dies. Woman is sad and devastated. Son does not like to see his mother sad so he is always there to console her. Soon they start having sex but they are careful to use a condom to avoid any kind of inbreeding. What is wrong with this scenario? They are both adults. No one is cheating on the other. They are providing support to each other. No one is taking advantage of the other. They are taking precautions so that they don't have any kind of inbreeding. What rational argument is there that tells you that this is not right? Yet everybody reading this will know down in their bones that this is wrong. It is a moral feeling that most people have.

Now, it is possible that this moral feelings about anything, including the one in the above example can be diminished in time by having more and more people committing the act and over a period of time it becomes common place. There are thousands of these things in any one society and that is what makes them different. People are not being unreasonable when they find certain behaviors objectionable. People should understand themselves and the societies in which they live and find harmony in their coexistence.

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majimaji
#39 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2019 10:33:26 AM
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I'm glad Kenya, at least the judiciary is moving in the right direction and protecting LGBT minority. The Atheists should also get the same protection as someone has said - it is your decision whether to believe and worship a sky god, a white god, a desert god, a cow, elephant, a mountain god or no god.
As for the Bible thumbers chagrined by the decision, I'm sorry.
Mtu Biz
#40 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2019 10:34:24 AM
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hamburglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
They've won round one. What the hell!!! (this one deserves the unabbreviated WTH)
Sad


Happy they are winning. Discrimination towards a subset of people based on their sexual orientation has to stop. Say NO to hate. More power to the LGBT community, let them live their lives freely without fear of being judged.

Next in line is us Atheists.



Yet you hate what you affirm does not exist.

Interesting.
Sola Scriptura


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